How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
More bass AMP.....another cab will fill in some more sound. Go easy on the overdrive. Also, turn your part into a bass solo...you and the drums can go off....
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
So I tried out some pedals at a shop yesterday.
They hooked up a Ampeg amp through a 8x10 cabinet.
Bugger the pedals, the amp and cab sounded fantastic.
They hooked up a Ampeg amp through a 8x10 cabinet.
Bugger the pedals, the amp and cab sounded fantastic.
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
If you play that setup, you'll fill out any space.
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
Get either a Tech21 Dug Pinnick pedal
http://www.tech21nyc.com/products/sansamp/dug_dp3x.html
or a EBS Billy Sheehan pedal.
http://ebssweden.com/content2/ebs-billy ... re-deluxe/
Both add distortion without sacrificing the clean lows.
http://www.tech21nyc.com/products/sansamp/dug_dp3x.html
or a EBS Billy Sheehan pedal.
http://ebssweden.com/content2/ebs-billy ... re-deluxe/
Both add distortion without sacrificing the clean lows.
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
There are a number of ways to approach it. And standing in front of a cranked SVT Classic will likely overrule them all
At any rate, I've always felt that when it comes to bass filling in more of the mix, diluting the core bass thump with gain or mudulation can often be a bad idea. In other words, getting fat bass tone and keeping it solid is the prime objective, and anything on top of that should be done in addition to (and not in place of) the fundamental.
Bigger bass with fuzz can work, just as Muff or if one must (in a somewhat explosively overkill manner) a Frantone Cream Puff can do, by squashing dynamics and just giving a wall of fat splurging fuzz with even more bass freqs. However, I've had more satisfying results using Prescription Electronics' Depth Charge for being a monstrous fuzz that allows you to blend in the clarity and oomph of the original tone, so that the fuzz gives grit without killing overall dynamics and thump.
Also, An EHX Micro POG etc. with dry on full and upper octave at about 50% then going into a dedicated bass overdrive pedal that doesn't drop out the lows can really sound big without going overboard when playing the root and root + fifths, just by increasing harmonics and basically letting you play the role of a baritone/Bass VI.
At any rate, I've always felt that when it comes to bass filling in more of the mix, diluting the core bass thump with gain or mudulation can often be a bad idea. In other words, getting fat bass tone and keeping it solid is the prime objective, and anything on top of that should be done in addition to (and not in place of) the fundamental.
Bigger bass with fuzz can work, just as Muff or if one must (in a somewhat explosively overkill manner) a Frantone Cream Puff can do, by squashing dynamics and just giving a wall of fat splurging fuzz with even more bass freqs. However, I've had more satisfying results using Prescription Electronics' Depth Charge for being a monstrous fuzz that allows you to blend in the clarity and oomph of the original tone, so that the fuzz gives grit without killing overall dynamics and thump.
Also, An EHX Micro POG etc. with dry on full and upper octave at about 50% then going into a dedicated bass overdrive pedal that doesn't drop out the lows can really sound big without going overboard when playing the root and root + fifths, just by increasing harmonics and basically letting you play the role of a baritone/Bass VI.
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
Thanks for all the responses.
Tried a couple of analog delay pedals. They are after a different type of sound than I wanted.
Tried a digital delay pedal, instant Durutti Column ! , sorta worked, would have been better if there was specific millisecond intervals that you could select, but the particular pedal severely affected the tone, dulling the sound.
Tried a Big Muff but was that's just a too distinctive a sound.
Tried a deluxe Bass Muff which was better due to the blend knob being an essential ingredient, mixing a bit of the muff sound with the dry signal to give a thicker sound. A useable device.
Tried a couple of octave pedals, couldn't get a suitable sound. Octave down is too thick of a drudge sound, the octave up all seemed to have a modulation effect combined with it.
Ended up with a Dunlop MX80+ it has a blend knob and the distortion is a bit tamer than the Muff sound. It has an XLR out as well which I was also after.
Its working so far.
Perhaps something better will come along
Tried a couple of analog delay pedals. They are after a different type of sound than I wanted.
Tried a digital delay pedal, instant Durutti Column ! , sorta worked, would have been better if there was specific millisecond intervals that you could select, but the particular pedal severely affected the tone, dulling the sound.
Tried a Big Muff but was that's just a too distinctive a sound.
Tried a deluxe Bass Muff which was better due to the blend knob being an essential ingredient, mixing a bit of the muff sound with the dry signal to give a thicker sound. A useable device.
Tried a couple of octave pedals, couldn't get a suitable sound. Octave down is too thick of a drudge sound, the octave up all seemed to have a modulation effect combined with it.
Ended up with a Dunlop MX80+ it has a blend knob and the distortion is a bit tamer than the Muff sound. It has an XLR out as well which I was also after.
Its working so far.
Perhaps something better will come along
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
This thing?windmill wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:27 amThanks for all the responses.
Tried a couple of analog delay pedals. They are after a different type of sound than I wanted.
Tried a digital delay pedal, instant Durutti Column ! , sorta worked, would have been better if there was specific millisecond intervals that you could select, but the particular pedal severely affected the tone, dulling the sound.
Tried a Big Muff but was that's just a too distinctive a sound.
Tried a deluxe Bass Muff which was better due to the blend knob being an essential ingredient, mixing a bit of the muff sound with the dry signal to give a thicker sound. A useable device.
Tried a couple of octave pedals, couldn't get a suitable sound. Octave down is too thick of a drudge sound, the octave up all seemed to have a modulation effect combined with it.
Ended up with a Dunlop MX80+ it has a blend knob and the distortion is a bit tamer than the Muff sound. It has an XLR out as well which I was also after.
Its working so far.
Perhaps something better will come along
https://www.jimdunlop.com/product/m80-7 ... 01975-1.do
Looks pretty interesting. I’ve been looking for a bass OD with a dry signal blend for a while. I play in a 3 piece and it’s more obvious than I’d like when I kick on my current OD.
The eq on this looks handy for backline amp situations too. Is the XLR out pre or post eq?
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
Hi hopefully this tip is somewhat useful, I only dabble with bass but I found this "limiter" type compression really makes it sound so much deeper. if you don't have an actual "limiter" type compressor, you can typically get the same sound out of a standard compressor on mild setting and then boost into it to lower the threshold (its different than simply increasing the compression).
also yes, I like that plain old boss OC-2 and not even using the 2nd octave.
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
get a bigger amp m80, even if its on loan
turn the volume up!!!!
turn the volume up!!!!
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- marqueemoon
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
Interesting idea. I'll give it a shot next practice since I already have a boost kicking around and a compressor on my bass board. Will report back.Harmoncj wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 amHi hopefully this tip is somewhat useful, I only dabble with bass but I found this "limiter" type compression really makes it sound so much deeper. if you don't have an actual "limiter" type compressor, you can typically get the same sound out of a standard compressor on mild setting and then boost into it to lower the threshold (its different than simply increasing the compression)
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
Ok. This is pretty legit. I want to play around with compressor settings a bit more to get it to be a little more natural sounding, but hitting the compressor harder does fill things out nicely, and the boost adds a little zing in the mids.marqueemoon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:44 pmInteresting idea. I'll give it a shot next practice since I already have a boost kicking around and a compressor on my bass board. Will report back.Harmoncj wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 amHi hopefully this tip is somewhat useful, I only dabble with bass but I found this "limiter" type compression really makes it sound so much deeper. if you don't have an actual "limiter" type compressor, you can typically get the same sound out of a standard compressor on mild setting and then boost into it to lower the threshold (its different than simply increasing the compression)
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Re: How to help a bass fill out the sound behind a single guitar ?
Yes that is the onemarqueemoon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:42 amThis thing?
https://www.jimdunlop.com/product/m80-7 ... 01975-1.do
Looks pretty interesting. I’ve been looking for a bass OD with a dry signal blend for a while. I play in a 3 piece and it’s more obvious than I’d like when I kick on my current OD.
The eq on this looks handy for backline amp situations too. Is the XLR out pre or post eq?
I wil check on pre or post eq and report back
Keen to try out the compressor method as well.