Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

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Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by aaroncheong » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:47 pm

Hi guys! New to this forum!

Just saw a 64 Jaguar neck at a local guitar store here in Singapore. It has date stamped (1 Sep 64). Clay dot inlays, and what looks like Brazilian rosewood fingerboard.

Felt a little skeptical about its authenticity after I realized that the ‘Offset Contour Body’ decal seems way off.

Anyone able to verify the authenticity of this neck? Thanks!

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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by Paul-T » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:32 am

Clay dots and rosewood look good to me.

I don't have a custom colour headstock so can't compare the paint, but that's a lot of checking on there. The decal looks dodgy, though.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=1964+Ja ... PgvMeUO-vM:
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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by aaroncheong » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:39 am

Thank you so much Paul!

Does the date stamp look good?

Varnish wise, I’m half suspecting that it has been tampered with. It has a strange orangey tint.

It looks like a definite 7.25” radius. The fingerboard probably sustained some fingernail damage as well and it looks like some of those holes were ‘filled’

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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by Paul-T » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:44 am

The neck stamp is probably OK, but I think you can only check in context of the overall feel.

The main question for me is do you have a matching body to go with, and what is the price?

Overall I'd reckon it's an original neck, and once they're separated from a body there's always a bit more of a question mark over them. You need a specialist to look at the logo if it's a serious price. I'm not an expert on Jags, rather Jazzmasters, but the small text does seem too widely spaced, looking at the photo above 'Pat Pend' should not quite reach the bottom of the G, beyond the obviously wrong offset Contour Body.

That in turn makes me more suspicious about the paint. One way to look at whether the checking is artificial is to try and see if it's too dirty in the cracks (most refinishers add a stain when it's fresh out of the freezer and the cracks are open, and the dirt's slightly exaggerated). Again, though, depends on price!

I would have some worries about the varnish based on that photo or would at least want to see more.

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In comparison, the 'Pat Pend' on yours seems to run almost to the 'U'. So my guess would be new paint and decal.
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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by aaroncheong » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:26 am

There isn’t a matching body, unfortunately. I’m looking to piece a vintage jaguar together. I’m relieved that the neck is pretty much authentic...

Just wondering, are there any instances whereby Fender actually made a mistake with the decal placements? Would like to hear from you guys. Thanks so much!

P.S. i’ll Try to get more pictures!

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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by Paul-T » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:49 am

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are there any instances whereby Fender actually made a mistake with the decal placements? Would like to hear from you guys. Thanks so much!
I've never seen one. overall the likelihood is that and that main decal are repro. I'd say it's odds on the paint is a refin too.

Again, this all depends on price and also whether the main neck varnish looks right. If you get more pics, try and shoot where the little bit of rosewood above the nut meets the paint finish.
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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by aaroncheong » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:44 am

Coolio thank you so much! I’ll try to get a picture of the rosewood at the top of the finger board!

It’s going for 650 Singapore Dollars. Which is approximately 470 USD. Would this be a good price for a ‘real neck’, if we were to take it that it has been refinished and decals tampered with?

The frets look like they’re in an OK condition.

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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by Paul-T » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:38 am

That's quite cheap I think, which tends to confirm it's a refin.

There's a much worse 1966 refin on eBay for $700 - but what does that mean? Give us all a look at the varnish and we can make more of a judgement. This is only my personal opinion, but while you might be able to get a vintage assembly quite cheap if you can find a body, etc, how will you know if you like the feel of the resulting guitar?
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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by aaroncheong » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:18 am

Hey Paul! Thank you so much for all the info and tips!

I just uploaded even more pictures on the google drives link!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-7mFo ... szhZ2JHoQw

Got a close up of the rosewood part that is connected to the headstock!



Thank you!!

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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by Paul-T » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:52 am

That does look a little strange. Is the shade the same on the front and back of the headstock, I can't quite see on this monitor?
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Re: Is this 64 Jaguar Neck Legit?

Post by aaroncheong » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:12 pm

It seems to be of the similar 'consistency'. Its a little bit dirtier on the front of the guitar neck.

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