Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by andrewaward » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:25 pm

If he doesn't play ball you can open a paypal dispute...………...or if you are happy paying what the seller paid for it then that's another option, tell him to refund the balance.

Or say you want all your money back.

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by nanamour » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:27 pm

andrewaward wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:10 pm
Great work Paul-T………...
^Seriously. Amazing sleuthwork Paul-T, this is just the kind of thing that makes OSG such a wonderful community.

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by DeathJag » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:19 pm

Wow! Paul T Rulez!

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by PJazzmaster » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:23 pm

:o :fp:

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by Paul-T » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:51 pm

this place is a wonderful community. I hope we can get Johnny his money back. My friend Francesco has confirmed the amount that the previous owner paid, he has kept the bank transfers.

Edit: I believe Francesco's friend bought the guitar as original; found it had been oversprayed with a retouched headstock, got a partial refund, then sold it for what was actually €4400, with an appraisal by Francesco. That's quite a lot of money for a refin; but this is a nice guitar, originally red with overspray and reworked headstock. The overspray, or whatever, is pretty good, hence the paint looks right except it covers dings.

So it would be a pretty wonderful instrument at the original price. But at double... well, that's pretty much fraud. Reverb are looking into it now, obviously the transaction is old, let's hope they can deliver.

It is a warning to everyone, not to be too trusting.
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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by otis » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:57 pm

I've seen this add for months on secondhand.be; I thought the seller was opportunistic and unrealistic too ask for such an incredible amount.
Johnny has been too eager to get the guitar of his dreams;I guess it could have happened to many people provided they could afford it.
I hope the seller can't get away with this; it's plain theft.
Great that you found the add Paul.

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by gringopig » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:21 am

Impressive detective work. Hope this works out as sellers not being honest and misrepresenting guitars at inflated prices is theft.

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by jagjaguar » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:38 pm

Very sad to hear about this, Johnny, but I hope you'll get your money back or choose to stick with a fantastic guitar at a reasonable price. I would go with keeping it. Love the Fiesta reds.

And kudos to Paul-T!

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by Johnny » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:17 am

Thanks for everyone’s goodwish. With Paul’s help, I am now working with Reverb custom service to find a solution. But because of the complicated situation, it’s a bit tricky. Will keep you guys updated.

In the mean time, is anyone familiar with the PayPal buyer protection regarding local pickup & multiple payments for one item? Or if you have any previous experiences that successed in getting a refund (whether it’s a guitar or not), please pm me.

Best,
Johnny

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by Paul-T » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:42 am

Johnny wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:17 am
Thanks for everyone’s goodwish. With Paul’s help, I am now working with Reverb custom service to find a solution. But because of the complicated situation, it’s a bit tricky. Will keep you guys updated.

In the mean time, is anyone familiar with the PayPal buyer protection regarding local pickup & multiple payments for one item? Or if you have any previous experiences that successed in getting a refund (whether it’s a guitar or not), please pm me.

Best,
Johnny
Johnny, for this topic, you don't need a forum - you need a lawyer.
"classic marked down to 20 pence bargain bin fodder'

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by mgeek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:37 am

Johnny wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:17 am


In the mean time, is anyone familiar with the PayPal buyer protection regarding local pickup
If I'm selling stuff and the buyer wants to collect I insist on cash... as far as I was aware, paypal only considered a tracking number proof of an item being handed over.

Is the second half of the payment automatically scheduled to take place? I'd say you're in quite a strong positiion

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by Johnny » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:04 am

mgeek wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:37 am
Johnny wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:17 am


In the mean time, is anyone familiar with the PayPal buyer protection regarding local pickup
If I'm selling stuff and the buyer wants to collect I insist on cash... as far as I was aware, paypal only considered a tracking number proof of an item being handed over.

Is the second half of the payment automatically scheduled to take place? I'd say you're in quite a strong positiion
Good point. That’s what I was thinking — if he continues to play the ball, I would have to file an “item not received” claim to force a refund. However, I’m a bit worried if reverb messages between me and him can be used as proof for local pickup?

As for the second half of the payment, I sent it manually through PayPal. Does it make a difference? Should I claim the two payments separately or should I contact PayPal and let them know they belong to one purchase?

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by Johnny » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:06 am

Paul-T wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:42 am
Johnny wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:17 am
Thanks for everyone’s goodwish. With Paul’s help, I am now working with Reverb custom service to find a solution. But because of the complicated situation, it’s a bit tricky. Will keep you guys updated.

In the mean time, is anyone familiar with the PayPal buyer protection regarding local pickup & multiple payments for one item? Or if you have any previous experiences that successed in getting a refund (whether it’s a guitar or not), please pm me.

Best,
Johnny
Johnny, for this topic, you don't need a forum - you need a lawyer.
We have already found a hidden detective in this forum. A hidden lawyer might as well be on his way.

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by mgeek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:04 pm

Another angle- did you use a credit card?

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Re: Geniuene 64’ Fiesta Red?

Post by Johnny » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:14 pm

mgeek wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:04 pm
Another angle- did you use a credit card?
I used a debit account that linked to my PayPal. Are you thinking of cancelling the payment from bank level?

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