"Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Discussion of vintage Jazzmasters, Jaguars, Bass VIs, Electric XIIs and any other offset-waist instruments.
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Re: "Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Post by marqueemoon » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:28 pm

601210 wrote:
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Whatever the hell is going on here, A Fender Marauder's scale length is 25.5 but a Gibson Marauder neck is 24.75 so it'd never intonate properly https://reverb.com/item/22365091-fender ... auder-neck
Haha yeah I don't know what these people are thinking. It looks like the same guitar here:

https://reverb.com/item/10267658-fendso ... r-marauder

And you can find a separate posting for the gibson here:

https://reverb.com/item/22365127-1970s- ... auder-neck

Some people are just really desperate to be "different".
These abominations are local to me and I have the Peterson strobe tuner app. :freako: :'(

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Post by Kinx » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:15 pm

I actually kinde like the looks of it, it is so bad, it's cool in a way. However, I doubt it would intonate anywhere on the neck
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Re: "Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Post by mgeek » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:14 am

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These abominations are local to me and I have the Peterson strobe tuner app. :freako: :'(
Is it a physical shop too? Had a look at their other items and was surprised to see some pretty high end guitars. Personally I'd view those hideous mashups as a bit of a reputation ruiner. I'd deffo be less inclined to spend my money at a place that would do such a thing

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Post by Zork » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:05 am

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This should work. I think they both look really cool and it's kind of my humour too. Plain stupid and way too nerdy to be funny.

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Post by marqueemoon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:43 am

mgeek wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:14 am
marqueemoon wrote:
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These abominations are local to me and I have the Peterson strobe tuner app. :freako: :'(
Is it a physical shop too? Had a look at their other items and was surprised to see some pretty high end guitars. Personally I'd view those hideous mashups as a bit of a reputation ruiner. I'd deffo be less inclined to spend my money at a place that would do such a thing
Yes, it’s a brick-and-mortar shop. It’s one of the older ones around here, actually.

I think the vintage guitar market is due for a major correction soon. Vintage guitars are really the domain of Baby Boomers, and of course they can’t take their gear with them.

I think as a shop you need to offer the kids these days something to spend their avocado toast money on, but these are pretty bad.

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Post by mgeek » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:11 am

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Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:43 am


Yes, it’s a brick-and-mortar shop. It’s one of the older ones around here, actually.

I think the vintage guitar market is due for a major correction soon. Vintage guitars are really the domain of Baby Boomers, and of course they can’t take their gear with them.
Yeah totally agree. In 20 years no one is gonna pay stupid money for a strat cos Eric Clapton played one. And like all the classic bubbles, most currently expensive vintage guitars aren't the rare ones, they are the most common...

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Post by Mechanical Birds » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:48 am

Yeah, it’s really beyond ridiculous. I’d have bought ten jaguars and 15 Jazzmasters in the early-2000s if I had any idea whatsoever that they’d eventually skyrocket the way they have in price. I know a lot of us feel that way but it’s annoying that even though that’s a common sentiment, it’s not lowering prices. Even five years ago I could have bought my dream guitar for damn close to half of what these monsters are trying to get for them today.

Searching reverb for 1966 Jazzmasters and seeing people with a straight face list them for $4,000/$5,000, and that’s not even the custom color ones.

I like to hope that we’ll see some kind of correction, and basic economics says it’ll happen the same way art glass from my home state until the past few years was a highly valuable commodity until typical collectors started dying off in large numbers and leaving massive collections to flood the market which enables me to buy cool vaseline glass for pennies on the dollar at flea markets every weekend. Vintage guitars are something else entirely, though. What is cheap? A new Les Paul or current top of the line Strat is $1,500-$2,500 - so does this mean the new guitars will come way down in price too? Because if I can look at a 62 Jazzmaster and an AO60s Jazzmaster side by side and the AO60s is $2,000 brand new, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to own one if you can just get a vintage one, a real one, for the same amount of money.

I know a pre-CBS Stratocaster is tens of thousands of dollars at this point so comparatively, if that drops down to $10,000 of course that’s technically cheaper, but still unattainable for any working musician. For fucks sake, $5,000 is more money than an insane majority of guitarists can afford.

Someone who’s more well-versed in economics - I would love to see some kind of explanation, or projection, if that’s possible. Are $25,000 guitars going to become $10,000 guitars and everybody calls it a win? Or should we expect something a little more substantial that’ll actually affect us in a positive way? Is knowing any of this even remotely possible? Personally I’d love to see the market crash and be able to buy amazing examples of everything I’ve ever wanted for the same price as an American Standard, I just don’t ever see that happening.

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Post by Mechanical Birds » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:50 am

And the person who did those Marauders up like that and more importantly have listed them for that price should be thrown in jail it’s just beyond fucking stupid
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Post by cestlamort » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:33 pm

It's like a 2k visual pun.
All we need is some Marr control plates and it's done.

Weird that Emerald City would sell the hybrid... thing. They usually specialize in the "what would Joe Walsh want to play when he stops by before the gig" level gear. (Not a bad thing, but usually not my budgetary level).

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Re: "Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Post by mgeek » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:51 pm

Mechanical Birds wrote:
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Because if I can look at a 62 Jazzmaster and an AO60s Jazzmaster side by side and the AO60s is $2,000 brand new, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to own one if you can just get a vintage one, a real one, for the same amount of money.
Thing is, away from the insanity of Fender, Gibson etc, that's exactly how it works and some people must still go for the pricier new ones.

Recent case in point- the reissued Jansen guitars, which are priced at more than the original sixties models sell for. I seem to remember Harmony stuff etc being similar, and some Hofner gear even, depending on the day

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Post by Mechanical Birds » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:11 pm

Right? So I wonder, when we hear the stuff about the market slowing down and coming back down to earth, unless a Custom Shop deal with everything you’d ever want comes down to like $800 I don’t see the old ones, regardless of how many are in the market, really ending up becoming attainable.

None of this probably matters because the inevitable ecological collapse will kill us all in no time flat, but you know, the banter is good :)

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Post by mgeek » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:59 pm

Mechanical Birds wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:11 pm

None of this probably matters because the inevitable ecological collapse will kill us all in no time flat, but you know, the banter is good :)
Looks pretty damn inevitable at this point...hopefully there'll be a sweet sweet spot where MOST people are dead but there's still some sort of human society, cos that's when we'll be getting the '59 Les Pauls for 12 baked rats and a hand job

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Post by Mechanical Birds » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:42 am

I spend a lot of time daydreaming about every republican or libertarian or other jagoff political movement apologist getting Leftovers’d to hell so we can just have a society

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Post by welshywelsh » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:12 am

Mechanical Birds wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:48 am
Someone who’s more well-versed in economics - I would love to see some kind of explanation, or projection, if that’s possible. Are $25,000 guitars going to become $10,000 guitars and everybody calls it a win? Or should we expect something a little more substantial that’ll actually affect us in a positive way? Is knowing any of this even remotely possible? Personally I’d love to see the market crash and be able to buy amazing examples of everything I’ve ever wanted for the same price as an American Standard, I just don’t ever see that happening.
I read an interesting article on Reverb (I think) on why offsets command so much money and the link was made with it being generational.

So all the guitars the baby boomers saw being played were then bought 30 years later when they had good jobs and rock n roll dreams and this is why Strats and Teles are the most expensive.

Fast forward to the next generation having good jobs and Strats and Teles are too expensive but the Jags and Jazzmasters from the grunge era they grew up in aren't so the demand for this second tier begins.

What happens when the baby boomers sell up I don't know, but with no other iconic eras in music (in terms of artists linked with guitars) since what will the next generation want to buy? Bieber doesn't even play guitar...

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Post by higgsblossom » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:32 am

Bieber plays guitar! He is actually not the worst player, Google his early videos. It’s just bloated production that made it sound like shit.
"500€? That's the price of a J Mascis Jazzmaster!"

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