Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
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Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
Based on a statement that came up in another thread, I'm curious how many of us are OK with the traditional offset bridge, and how many of us feel the need to replace it.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
"the original design is fine as long as you know how it works"
"as long as you know how it works"
Way to make the poll unbiased.
"as long as you know how it works"
Way to make the poll unbiased.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
A Ferrari sucks if you don't know how to drive. I don't see the point in blaming the ignorance of the user on the design.DesmondWafers wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:00 am"the original design is fine as long as you know how it works"
"as long as you know how it works"
Way to make the poll unbiased.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
Nice, a completely pointless thread. So your purpose wasn't to find out what bridge OSG uses, but to push your own narrative. Way to go, you'll show me!
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
1. I'm always saddened when people are forced against their will to participate in threads they find pointless.DesmondWafers wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:11 amNice, a completely pointless thread. So your purpose wasn't to find out what bridge OSG uses, but to push your own narrative. Way to go, you'll show me!
2. Although it was inspired by a comment you made in another thread, this poll has absolutely nothing to do with "showing you" anything. I'm just curious what the general feeling on OSG is regarding the stock offset bridge.
3. Lighten up, Francis.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
You started this thread with a loaded question, you're intentionally trying to skew the results into your own opinion. If this is about the stock offset bridge working "as designed", this would disallow any of the common modifications people make to it. Therefore, anyone who uses loctite on the saddles simply misunderstands the bridge. Taping around the pegs is just "ignorance of the user".
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
How about this option?
The original design is fine as long as you know how it works but Staytrem and Mastery are way better bridges
The original design is fine as long as you know how it works but Staytrem and Mastery are way better bridges
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
Not at all - "The original design is fine as long as you know how it works"- it says nothing about working "as designed." In other words, you need to know the rules before you can break them. And as I pointed out in the Ferrari analogy, NOTHING is any good if you don't know how it works.DesmondWafers wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:21 amIf this is about the stock offset bridge working "as designed", this would disallow any of the common modifications people make to it.
The point of the poll is to find out if people who DO understand the ins and outs of the stock bridge feel like the aftermarket options offer a significant enough improvement to be worthwhile. I know there are plenty of people here who feel strongly each way, I was just curious as to the breakdown of the numbers.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
Yeah, I think it's biased too. A simple yes or no would be better.
Anyway I am not a heavy handed player, so the original bridge design works ok. I have not bothered to replace it on my JMs. If I were specing out a guitar I would go Staytrem though.
Anyway I am not a heavy handed player, so the original bridge design works ok. I have not bothered to replace it on my JMs. If I were specing out a guitar I would go Staytrem though.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
The goalposts keep shifting.
"The point of the poll is to find out if people who DO understand the ins and outs of the stock bridge feel like the aftermarket options offer a significant enough improvement to be worthwhile"
Except this is not how the thread is framed at all. Like what marquee said, it should be a yes or no answer. This is like some sort of fox news offset poll. You imply that it's impossible for someone to understand how the bridge works AND think that it should be replaced. It's an attempt to herd people into the option you want by suggesting that their knowledge is inferior if they don't agree with you.
"The point of the poll is to find out if people who DO understand the ins and outs of the stock bridge feel like the aftermarket options offer a significant enough improvement to be worthwhile"
Except this is not how the thread is framed at all. Like what marquee said, it should be a yes or no answer. This is like some sort of fox news offset poll. You imply that it's impossible for someone to understand how the bridge works AND think that it should be replaced. It's an attempt to herd people into the option you want by suggesting that their knowledge is inferior if they don't agree with you.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
Am I the only person who read this title too quickly and thought "bridge pickup"?
Anyway, just like the original bridge, the vintage-style bridge pickup, and the rhythm switch - all of these original design elements are fine, for some people, in some situations, but not all people in all situations. Same goes for every guitar. A hardtail Les Paul with PAFs is a dream machine for some, but the wrong tool for someone emulating Hank Marvin or the Ventures.
Anyway, just like the original bridge, the vintage-style bridge pickup, and the rhythm switch - all of these original design elements are fine, for some people, in some situations, but not all people in all situations. Same goes for every guitar. A hardtail Les Paul with PAFs is a dream machine for some, but the wrong tool for someone emulating Hank Marvin or the Ventures.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
Certainly seems a little fishy how it was worded....
Does it work? Sure.
Could it have been better? Certainly.
Is it fine for what it does? Yep.
Does Staytrem/Mastery get the job done better? Yep.
If we're just talking raw-dog out of the box it's impossible to say the Fender is better. After you've modded it and done your own tech on it to get it going, yeah it can be quite suitable.
Does it work? Sure.
Could it have been better? Certainly.
Is it fine for what it does? Yep.
Does Staytrem/Mastery get the job done better? Yep.
If we're just talking raw-dog out of the box it's impossible to say the Fender is better. After you've modded it and done your own tech on it to get it going, yeah it can be quite suitable.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
It's a bad bridge and is directly responsible for the instrument's relative lack of popularity in years past. There's no getting around that.
Frankly, I can't believe that we are discussing the relative merits of a 60 year old bad design, and I can't believe that Fender didn't ever just make a better bridge like they did with the Telecaster and the Stratocaster, both of which have had redesigns over and over again throughout the years.
The Jazzmaster bridge only got worse from being pretty bad to start with.
Frankly, I can't believe that we are discussing the relative merits of a 60 year old bad design, and I can't believe that Fender didn't ever just make a better bridge like they did with the Telecaster and the Stratocaster, both of which have had redesigns over and over again throughout the years.
The Jazzmaster bridge only got worse from being pretty bad to start with.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
I was popping my e strings left and right when I first got my Jag. It had to go.
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Re: Does the stock Jazzmaster/Jaguar bridge work for you?
I guess we've evolved from arguing about guitar parts to arguing about talking about guitar parts.