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If TDPRI is anything like it was last time I was there, they're probably still arguing about Esquires.valley_parade wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 4:19 amI wonder if Strat Talk and TDPRI have these threads once every few weeks
This is p reasonable. I dig it!ThePearDream wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 6:32 amIf it has a Jazzmaster shaped body and at least half of the other defining characteristics from vintage Jazzmasters, then it is a Jazzmaster. Regardless of whether these are features you care about or not. Most of those characteristics have been mentioned here already, but not all in one spot.
In addition to the body shape, there's:
- pickguard shape
- rhythm circuit
- 25.5" scale
- jazzmaster pickups
- jazzmaster vibrato with floating bridge
- headstock profile
(minor details like fretboard radius & pot/cap values are irrelevant because even in vintage examples there is wide variation)
The Offset Telecaster has the shape, but only one additional feature (scale), therefore is not a Jazzmaster.
The American Performer has the shape, pickguard, scale, pickups, and headstock, therefore it is a Jazzmaster.
The Player Jazzmaster has the shape, pickguard, scale, and headstock and is just barely a Jazzmaster
The Jim Root has the shape, scale and headstock, so is only a Jazzmaster because Fender said so.
The Jazz Telecaster does not have the body shape, so can never be a Jazzmaster, regardless of the other features.
It is enjoyable to see OSG indulge in a bit of philosophising occasionally, using the Socratic method, as described by Plato, to determine the essence of things.valley_parade wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 4:19 amI wonder if Strat Talk and TDPRI have these threads once every few weeks
What is a Stratocaster? I mean, like... what isn't a Stratocaster?valley_parade wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 4:19 amI wonder if Strat Talk and TDPRI have these threads once every few weeks
I am new to this forum but has anyone ever called J. Mascis model a "Jazzmascis"?Scarabeus wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 3:57 pmFor the record, I generally refer to my J Mascis JM as my “JMJM” or my “Mascis” when I’m speaking to people who know guitars .... and I refer to it as my “Jazzmaster” when talking to people who don’t really know guitars, in order to keep it simple and to educate them as to the “type” of guitar it is.
LOL. I had the purple Fender one for years and not once did I ever think of that.Sanguine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 11:45 pmI am new to this forum but has anyone ever called J. Mascis model a "Jazzmascis"?Scarabeus wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 3:57 pmFor the record, I generally refer to my J Mascis JM as my “JMJM” or my “Mascis” when I’m speaking to people who know guitars .... and I refer to it as my “Jazzmaster” when talking to people who don’t really know guitars, in order to keep it simple and to educate them as to the “type” of guitar it is.
The Greek Cynic* philosopher Diogenes of Sinope once attended a lecture by Plato on the classification of things. Plato authoritatively classified man as “a featherless biped”.windmill wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 1:53 pmIt is enjoyable to see OSG indulge in a bit of philosophising occasionally, using the Socratic method, as described by Plato, to determine the essence of things.
The example given by Plato is Socrates asking someone to define a cup, what gives a cup its "cupness" ?
It is interesting to that we are still searching to understand the world we live in, just as the the ancient Greeks and all those before them sought the same answers.
Please carry on, you lot may be on the way to discovering an eternal truth.
A small benefit of the purple Fender Mascises not being as popular is that we don't have to differentiate them with SQJMJM and MIJJMJM.BoringPostcards wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:34 amLOL. I had the purple Fender one for years and not once did I ever think of that.Sanguine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 11:45 pmI am new to this forum but has anyone ever called J. Mascis model a "Jazzmascis"?Scarabeus wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 3:57 pmFor the record, I generally refer to my J Mascis JM as my “JMJM” or my “Mascis” when I’m speaking to people who know guitars .... and I refer to it as my “Jazzmaster” when talking to people who don’t really know guitars, in order to keep it simple and to educate them as to the “type” of guitar it is.
Gotta say, I wish I did.
