NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:56 pm

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:16 am
Very nice. I’m also an RSD bridge fan.

No personal experience, but I think someone here mentioned Couch strap + nitro finish having some reaction issues.
Great warning many thanks!

I never keep straps touching the guitar in the cases, but this will make me be even more careful not to leave it on the guitar in any way.

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:58 pm

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:17 am
Damn that thing is beautiful! I've never played a guitar with a RSD bridge but it looks like it would be very stable. That pink with the maple neck tho....WOW.
Thanks! And so far I'm really liking the bridge!

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:02 pm

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Congrats. That's a great looking guitar. I have a shell pink CS with rosewood board and RSD bridge -- mint guard, however. I like the RSD bridge a lot. I also have a daphne blue CS JM with maple board and RSD bridge. They both have the CS wound JM pickups. The daphne is not noticeably brighter than the shell pink, so I think you are correct that other factors play a much larger part in the brightness. I don't find mine particularly bright, but then again, I play through a Supro Thunderbolt and it has a soft response that I absolutely love with these guitars.

...and lest anyone think I am a blues lawyer because I have two CS Jazzmasters, I assure you I am not. I sold a big pile of 'planks' and a few amps to acquire these two. I merely love these guitars.
Thanks for the validation regarding the brightness issue, so it's not just me and my crazy thoughts! :w00t: ;D

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:02 pm

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:02 pm
Tafarel wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:31 am
Congrats. That's a great looking guitar. I have a shell pink CS with rosewood board and RSD bridge -- mint guard, however. I like the RSD bridge a lot. I also have a daphne blue CS JM with maple board and RSD bridge. They both have the CS wound JM pickups. The daphne is not noticeably brighter than the shell pink, so I think you are correct that other factors play a much larger part in the brightness. I don't find mine particularly bright, but then again, I play through a Supro Thunderbolt and it has a soft response that I absolutely love with these guitars.

...and lest anyone think I am a blues lawyer because I have two CS Jazzmasters, I assure you I am not. I sold a big pile of 'planks' and a few amps to acquire these two. I merely love these guitars.
Thanks for the validation regarding the brightness issue, so it's not just me and my crazy thoughts! :w00t: ;D

Post or link to pics of your JM's please!

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:07 pm

Maggieo wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:37 am
Wow, that is nice!

It'd be cool if you linked that vid from Wildwood.

Next time I'm in Omaha, I may have to come pester you to show me that beauty in person. I'm now lusting after one for a second JM. :? :fp:
Thanks! Hehe ok, I'll let you play it even.

OK, let's see if this link works. He starts off with a Strat but most of the video is with him playing the JM.

https://www.facebook.com/wildwoodguitar ... MN_yk9AEdw

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:10 pm

NachoMan77 wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:12 pm
RocknRollShakeUp wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:39 pm
Lastly, I can't say enough good things about Bruce Beard at Wildwood Guitars. He gave me a super price on the guitar, so good, I couldn't pass it up. I was interested in 3 JM's, two Relic Readies and a Journeyman, and Bruce get Greg Koch to do a shootout video between the 3 which they sent to me. How cool was that! Actually, Greg also ended up playing this guitar for a long time on the last Wildwood live broadcast on Fakebook if you are interested in hearing it, and seeing it totally manhandled by the Mansquatch himself (he starts off with a Strat then goes to the JM for the rest). I could link it if anyone is interested.

Well, I thought I would share the story, keep feelin' groovy y'all!
Lovely guitar, congrats! Yes, please post the link of the manhandling ;D Greg is always fun to watch
Thanks!
Unfortunatley I don't see how I can embed video in here..Please see link above, he's on fire in this one for real, if you are a Greg fan, then must watch.

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by X-Ray Spex » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:34 am

RocknRollShakeUp wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:54 pm
X-Ray Spex wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:39 am
I really really like maple boards on Jazzmasters, this works so well.

I know a lot of people hate the RSD bridge but I think it's great, we just need someone in the OSG hivemind willing to take it apart and scan the parts and then we could mill or 3D print them ourselves.
Thanks for the kind words!
That would be really cool if someone reversed engineered it, if that's the correct way of putting it.

The other cool thing about this bridge that I've learned is that you can rock it back against the tail end of the thimbles and it seems to really like it there. Since the travel isn't nearly as much, it is still intoned and the saddles are oriented straight up..I'm seriously wondering if it isn't supposed to be kept that way, and not with the posts upright floating right in the middle of the thimble hole.

Here is a picture of it rocked back to the tail, and notice the saddles are pretty much oriented upwards, perpendicular to the body, so the strings sit nicely in the middle of the groove. This takes the guesswork out of trying to float the bridge exactly in the middle of the thimble holes and worrying about it migrating out of its optimal spot right in the middle. Since I mainly depress the tremolo, the strings returning to neutral only serve to pull it back into that tilted back position so it always stays put.
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I mean realistically you could reverse engineer it yourself if you were so inclined, you'd just have to take the bridge apart and measure everything and take detailed photographs etc. I'm not particularly well versed in stuff like that but I'm sure some forum members here (deed_poll I'm looking at you ;D ) could help out.

I know I'd be more than wiling to pay for the files to get it into the hands of people who would love to try out the bridge but don't have custom shop money to throw around. I was hoping that Fender would eventually make the bridge standard across every single line but it doesn't seem like they're anywhere even near close to issuing it on non-custom shop items.
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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by kgbAttack » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:39 am

X-Ray Spex wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:34 am
I know I'd be more than wiling to pay for the files to get it into the hands of people who would love to try out the bridge but don't have custom shop money to throw around. I was hoping that Fender would eventually make the bridge standard across every single line but it doesn't seem like they're anywhere even near close to issuing it on non-custom shop items.
They keep releasing CS models that come without the RSD bridge...so yeah it doesn't seem like it's becoming the default option there either.

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by kgbAttack » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:47 am

RocknRollShakeUp wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:32 pm

One thing I did to mine is I straightened the neck relief from around .010 - .011" to about .006", which lowered the action very low, which allowed me to raise the bridge higher up to regain the proper action but also increasing the break angle over the bridge as much as possible in the process.

I did this because with the original larger neck relief, when I dropped the bridge down a bit to lower the action, I lost enough break angle over the bridge so that the low E string started to buzz a bit in the saddle if I hit it on the hard side. Plus when I plucked that Low E string behind the bridge it didn't ping nicely like I like it, it was kind of splatty and buzzy, indicating that I needed more break angle over the saddle and more tension, if you know what I mean. But flattening the relief, which in turn allowed my raising of the bridge totally rectified the problem, and I kept the same action/string height I was shooting for. The very small droning buzz when strumming the low E is gone, and the Low E string pings nicely when plucked behind the bridge now.
I hope I'm making sense!
Thanks so much! I will measure neck relief and see. If I have to adjust the truss rod at the heel I might as well check if the neck pocket is angled, I have a few spare stew mac shims.

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by Tafarel » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:32 am

Maggieo, I usually shop at Lidgett's in CB, who I'm sure you're familiar with. Rob has tried to procure the RSD bridges by hook and by crook and has been foiled every time. I'd like to get some for my other JMs, too, but it just doesn't seem possible. I will get some pics of both guitars up in the next day or so.
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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by Maggieo » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:32 am

RocknRollShakeUp wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:07 pm
Maggieo wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:37 am
Wow, that is nice!

It'd be cool if you linked that vid from Wildwood.

Next time I'm in Omaha, I may have to come pester you to show me that beauty in person. I'm now lusting after one for a second JM. :? :fp:
Thanks! Hehe ok, I'll let you play it even.

OK, let's see if this link works. He starts off with a Strat but most of the video is with him playing the JM.

https://www.facebook.com/wildwoodguitar ... MN_yk9AEdw
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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by Maggieo » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:35 am

Tafarel wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:32 am
Maggieo, I usually shop at Lidgett's in CB, who I'm sure you're familiar with. Rob has tried to procure the RSD bridges by hook and by crook and has been foiled every time. I'd like to get some for my other JMs, too, but it just doesn't seem possible. I will get some pics of both guitars up in the next day or so.
I need to stop by there some time. They've got an Eastman Casio clone that I want to try out.

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:15 pm

X-Ray Spex wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:34 am
RocknRollShakeUp wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:54 pm
X-Ray Spex wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:39 am
I really really like maple boards on Jazzmasters, this works so well.

I know a lot of people hate the RSD bridge but I think it's great, we just need someone in the OSG hivemind willing to take it apart and scan the parts and then we could mill or 3D print them ourselves.
Thanks for the kind words!
That would be really cool if someone reversed engineered it, if that's the correct way of putting it.

The other cool thing about this bridge that I've learned is that you can rock it back against the tail end of the thimbles and it seems to really like it there. Since the travel isn't nearly as much, it is still intoned and the saddles are oriented straight up..I'm seriously wondering if it isn't supposed to be kept that way, and not with the posts upright floating right in the middle of the thimble hole.

Here is a picture of it rocked back to the tail, and notice the saddles are pretty much oriented upwards, perpendicular to the body, so the strings sit nicely in the middle of the groove. This takes the guesswork out of trying to float the bridge exactly in the middle of the thimble holes and worrying about it migrating out of its optimal spot right in the middle. Since I mainly depress the tremolo, the strings returning to neutral only serve to pull it back into that tilted back position so it always stays put.
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I mean realistically you could reverse engineer it yourself if you were so inclined, you'd just have to take the bridge apart and measure everything and take detailed photographs etc. I'm not particularly well versed in stuff like that but I'm sure some forum members here (deed_poll I'm looking at you ;D ) could help out.

I know I'd be more than wiling to pay for the files to get it into the hands of people who would love to try out the bridge but don't have custom shop money to throw around. I was hoping that Fender would eventually make the bridge standard across every single line but it doesn't seem like they're anywhere even near close to issuing it on non-custom shop items.
How would you measure it? Is there some fancy smart phone app that will give you precise measurements and take pics? Or just with a simple ruler..actually I have a set of calipers. I may do this next time I change strings. I'm not inclined to take the saddles off the base of the bridge at this point since everything is set up nicely and I don't want to screw up the intonation, but maybe I can mark with a pencil the exact position of the saddles. Well I won't promise anything but I'm a bit intrigued, and it would be cool to have the measurements.

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:16 pm

kgbAttack wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:39 am
X-Ray Spex wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:34 am
I know I'd be more than wiling to pay for the files to get it into the hands of people who would love to try out the bridge but don't have custom shop money to throw around. I was hoping that Fender would eventually make the bridge standard across every single line but it doesn't seem like they're anywhere even near close to issuing it on non-custom shop items.
They keep releasing CS models that come without the RSD bridge...so yeah it doesn't seem like it's becoming the default option there either.
I don't know their cost, and whether or not it would be cost prohibitive for them to manufacture it, but it would be a great option for us to have.

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Re: NGD: Wildwood 10 Relic Ready Jazzmaster

Post by RocknRollShakeUp » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:21 pm

kgbAttack wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:47 am
RocknRollShakeUp wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:32 pm

One thing I did to mine is I straightened the neck relief from around .010 - .011" to about .006", which lowered the action very low, which allowed me to raise the bridge higher up to regain the proper action but also increasing the break angle over the bridge as much as possible in the process.

I did this because with the original larger neck relief, when I dropped the bridge down a bit to lower the action, I lost enough break angle over the bridge so that the low E string started to buzz a bit in the saddle if I hit it on the hard side. Plus when I plucked that Low E string behind the bridge it didn't ping nicely like I like it, it was kind of splatty and buzzy, indicating that I needed more break angle over the saddle and more tension, if you know what I mean. But flattening the relief, which in turn allowed my raising of the bridge totally rectified the problem, and I kept the same action/string height I was shooting for. The very small droning buzz when strumming the low E is gone, and the Low E string pings nicely when plucked behind the bridge now.
I hope I'm making sense!
Thanks so much! I will measure neck relief and see. If I have to adjust the truss rod at the heel I might as well check if the neck pocket is angled, I have a few spare stew mac shims.
Your are most welcome my man! It sounds like a good plan. Thank the baby Buddha for those StewMac shims ey?
At some point if I decide I want more relief in my neck for playability reasons I may still throw in a .25deg Stew Mac shim in mine to see what happens. Deep inside I have a paranoia that Stew Mac will stop making them..and I have uncontrollable urges to horde them :ph34r: :)

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