Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by tammyw » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:55 pm

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There you have it. Maybe if I have some more time that sketch will turn into a legible drawing. There's a PCB treble bleed on the master volume, but I couldn't get a good measurement on it and forgot to draw it. The tone pots are probably 250k no-load pots, but they measure up to about 280k before they cut off, non-linear taper. Master volume is 250k linear, and the upper two are 1M.
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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by timtam » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:29 pm

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That Fender diagram seems to confirm Fender's JM demo video that contradicts their website - the diagram and video say there is a master volume and two tones. The website says neck and bridge volumes plus master tone (plus the OOP volume rollers) ...
"Volume 1. (Neck Pickup, S1™ Switch), Volume 2. (Bridge Pickup), Master Tone, Slide Switch, Volume Offest 1 (Neck Pickup), Volume 2 (Bridge Pickup) "
https://shop.fender.com/en-AU/electric- ... 50732.html

The diagram also suggests that the S1 (on master volume) does not simply change the middle toggle position from parallel to series; instead it puts both pickups ON and in series, independent of the toggle switch position.

Having the roller volumes only function in OOP mode is also a tad odd. That's presumably why they need that whopping multi-pole slide switch.

I look forward to hearing Andertons try to explain what all the switches and knobs do . ;)
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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by Futuron » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:07 am

All very interesting and appreciated as usual, thanks for sharing.

Fender diagrams/literature/videos contradicting each other seems par for the course

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by kimson » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:33 am

Interesting stuff, thanks tammyw!

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by RIORIO » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:34 am

.....9 lb....11oz....... :(

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by DrPete » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:06 am

I'm GASing so hard for this guitar.

Looking forward to more videos on YouTube.

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by RumorsOFsurF » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:12 pm

I'm all for more models for people with different tastes, but it has everything I don't look for in a guitar...Flat fretboard, pearl pickguard, big frets, hot pickups...I am too old fashioned, I guess. I like vintage specs with a Mustang bridge. The AV series was my thing, and they seem to be completely gone now...
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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by WilburBufferson » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:27 pm

Hey! Don't want to derail this thread, but I have a question related to the wiring diagram over here:

http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vie ... 2#p1590882

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :)

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by alexpigment » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:08 pm

Glad to see they used the rhythm circuit switch for a phase switch - that's exactly what I have in mine. It's a surprisingly useful mod. Would love to try out these noiseless pickups at some point too.

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by timtam » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:19 pm

alexpigment wrote:
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Glad to see they used the rhythm circuit switch for a phase switch - that's exactly what I have in mine. It's a surprisingly useful mod. Would love to try out these noiseless pickups at some point too.
It's interesting that they've really gone full out on the out-of-phase mod, also giving it the roller volumes only in OOP mode - a three-control OOP mod ! (is there a precedent for that anywhere ?) When OOP has not been a common user mod on JMs before ... so it's not like OOP is demand-driven. When the Am Pro jaguar got OOP (switch only) - for the first time on a Fender offset - and series switching (on the 4-way), the Am Pro JM got nothing - they pulled the rhythm circuit out and put nothing in its place. So maybe this is just the JM getting its 'turn' (and there is no ultra jag). But it's a somewhat curious mod choice and implementation to my mind, especially for the premium model JM - time will tell if people like it. It would be interesting to hear the decision making process that led to it. Was it more than "Well we want to ditch the rhythm circuit this time round, but what do we replace it with, without needing a new pickguard ? We could use the rhythm switch for OOP, but then what on earth do we do with the rollers ?". ;)
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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by alexpigment » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:34 pm

Well, I figured they tried (or just thought 2 seconds about) the series mod and realized that JM pickups are a bit too beefy to do that with. It would necessitate some sort of strangle switch or bass cut. I think out of phase just makes sense with the pickups. Throw some distortion or fuzz on it, and the harmonics should be jumping out of the amp.

But yes, I do wonder how the rollers interact with it. I suspect that it will seem odd/counterintuitive to most people - you'd probably want to turn down the bridge volume to get more bass and vice versa. Still, I think it's cool.

EDIT: I forgot it does have the series in the S1 switch. Ignore whatever parts above no longer make sense :)

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by DrPete » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:29 am

Has anyone actually gotten one of these yet? Or at least got their hands on one?

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by eggwheat » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:43 pm

Larry Mal wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:43 am
Twenty one pounds, huh? Those noiseless pickups must be solid lead or something.
I prefer to call them ‘balless’..that is if they are the same crappy lace sensors in another package.

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by alexpigment » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:19 pm

eggwheat wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:43 pm
Larry Mal wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:43 am
Twenty one pounds, huh? Those noiseless pickups must be solid lead or something.
I prefer to call them ‘balless’..that is if they are the same crappy lace sensors in another package.
For what it's worth, there is (or was last night) an 8.3lb one at Sweetwater in the plasma burst finish. Otherwise, they do seem all like boat anchors.

Also, I think the Fender Noiseless pickups are really pretty good to be honest. I had a Tele set that wasn't quite as good as the previous pickups, but the Strat vintage noiseless ones were great. And for the N3/N4 ones, they seem like a pretty good replacement for any of the hotter output stuff on the mainline series.

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Re: Fender American Ultra Jazzmaster

Post by tdbajus » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:38 pm

I tried one out in the Brooklyn Guitar Center and was fairly impressed. Not the best conditions to listen under but I definitely interested.

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