How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

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how to pronounce PAU in 'pau ferro'

POE
1
1%
POW
55
75%
PAW
7
10%
PA'U
6
8%
P'WIRE
4
5%
other/don't know
0
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by offkeyericdee » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:35 am

Hilarion Lefuneste wrote:
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It's pronounced "poor excuse for rosewood" ;D
Really?! And I thought it meant something like "timber rapidly being harvested to commercial extinction". :whistle:
Indeed. Although it also means "it doesn't count for musical instruments so rosewood is still fair game" :whistle: :whistle:
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by Hilarion Lefuneste » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:38 am

offkeyericdee wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:35 am
Hilarion Lefuneste wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:36 am
offkeyericdee wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:12 am
It's pronounced "poor excuse for rosewood" ;D
Really?! And I thought it meant something like "timber rapidly being harvested to commercial extinction". :whistle:
Indeed. Although it also means "it doesn't count for musical instruments so rosewood is still fair game" :whistle: :whistle:
I didn't know instruments had become exempt from CITES. Thanks!

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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by Danley » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:54 am

I always think it's weird when certain words don't get translated into the vernacular; it's usually done to impart an exotic feeling, but for certain things it just seems to reinforce a sense of separation & 'other-hood' (for example calling Muslim god 'Allah' when it really just translates to 'god' anyway; in fact the same one many other religions worship.)

So maybe we should just call it 'Ironwood' in English (and then call Rosewood 'Jacaranda' (Jack-Or-Anda) so people take its exotic/rareness more seriously :D )

(I should just make 'I think Pau Ferro looks better than Rosewood' my sig.)
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by mackerelmint » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:02 pm

It's Pow.

The Portuguese language isn't a language so much as it's what happens when a Russian tries to speak Spanish with a mouth full of food. Portuguese has all kinds of weird things, like "m" being pronounced "ts" at times as I understand it, so I think its safe to say that they're wrong about how to say things roughly 100% of the time.
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by Futuron » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:32 pm

Hilarion Lefuneste wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:38 am
I didn't know instruments had become exempt from CITES. Thanks!
26th is the official effective date. So in 2 weeks we'll be back in business!
Danley wrote:
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Well, at least playing a game of chess must be a comedy goldmine for you guys still.
The smarter children have learned chess way before they hear of pornography, and the less so call them "prawns" anyway. So sadly anything comedic about chess must come from another source.

And I was already thinking about going with 'ironwood' - I already refer to the cor anglais as 'English horn' (WHY DO WE SAY FRENCH HORN BUT COR ANGLAIS?!? :wacko: )

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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by aliendawg » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:30 pm

mackerelmint wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:02 pm
It's Pow.

The Portuguese language isn't a language so much as it's what happens when a Russian tries to speak Spanish with a mouth full of food. Portuguese has all kinds of weird things, like "m" being pronounced "ts" at times as I understand it, so I think its safe to say that they're wrong about how to say things roughly 100% of the time.
Not sure if this was supposed to be funny but it was not. Also came off as slightly offensive and xenophobic :whistle:
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by mackerelmint » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:03 pm

aliendawg wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:30 pm
mackerelmint wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:02 pm
It's Pow.

The Portuguese language isn't a language so much as it's what happens when a Russian tries to speak Spanish with a mouth full of food. Portuguese has all kinds of weird things, like "m" being pronounced "ts" at times as I understand it, so I think its safe to say that they're wrong about how to say things roughly 100% of the time.
Not sure if this was supposed to be funny but it was not. Also came off as slightly offensive and xenophobic :whistle:
Oh, you're Brazilian. Well, am I wrong about the "ts"? Because the rest of it is 100% true.
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by Hilarion Lefuneste » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:05 pm

mackerelmint wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:02 pm
It's Pow.

The Portuguese language isn't a language so much as it's what happens when a Russian tries to speak Spanish with a mouth full of food. Portuguese has all kinds of weird things, like "m" being pronounced "ts" at times as I understand it, so I think its safe to say that they're wrong about how to say things roughly 100% of the time.
:fp:

I find your comment unfunny, inaccurate and unnecessarily provocative. In case you haven't noticed, people do not choose their native languages, and they tend to be quite emotionally attached to them. I'm sure that if someone posted something similar about the English language many here would find it rather rude and would assume that they were dealing with a troll.
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by mackerelmint » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:15 pm

Hilarion Lefuneste wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:05 pm
mackerelmint wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:02 pm
It's Pow.

The Portuguese language isn't a language so much as it's what happens when a Russian tries to speak Spanish with a mouth full of food. Portuguese has all kinds of weird things, like "m" being pronounced "ts" at times as I understand it, so I think its safe to say that they're wrong about how to say things roughly 100% of the time.
:fp:

I find your comment unfunny, inaccurate and unnecessarily provocative. In case you haven't noticed, people tend to be quite emotionally attached to their native language. I'm sure that if someone something similar about the English language many here would find it rather rude.
Nope. Languages have their sounds. I asked a Japanese friend how they make fun of how English sounds, and he let loose with the most hilarious gibberish I'd heard in a while. And god forbid somebody laugh at the Swedish Chef, right? Languages are not race or even necessarily ethnicity. They are learned and accessible to all and so are fair game. 100%. Offense taken speaks only to the offended party's pride and decisions about how to apply it.

To native Spanish and English speaking ears, Portuguese sounds like Russian accented Spanish with less clear diction, I've actually had this discussion with a number of friends who've gone to Portugal and Brazil as Spanish speakers. That's how it's perceived by myself and literally everyone I've spoken to about it. The non-perceiver doesn't get to say that's wrong.

Does "m" not get pronounced "ts" at times? If I'm wrong about that, I'd like to know, Daniel.

There's also the question of "what language is it being contextualized into", to go back to the question of pronunciation of "pau". Most languages would say pow. English is such a mess that it could go any number of ways.
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by Bandarra » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:47 pm

Pau is not exactly wood as someone in here said. Pau in portuguese is more like a wooden stick. I dont know if in Brasil they use the word Pau to refer to wood. Wood in portuguese is Madeira.

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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by Bandarra » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:04 pm

I dont understand that thing of "m" pronouced "ts". That dont exist in Portuguese. As portuguese being close in sound to russian or polish it as some logic. Two of my friends in england were taken by polish by polish guys in a noisy pub.

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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by mackerelmint » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:05 pm

Bandarra wrote:
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I dont understand that thing of "m" pronouced "ts". That dont exist in Portuguese. As portuguese being close in sound to russian or polish it as some logic. Two of my friends in england were taken by polish by polish guys in a noisy pub.
Thanks. I guess I was misremembering the "m" as "ts" thing, I was told that it doesn't exist in Brazilian Portuguese. But yeah, there's something in the way vowels are pronounced in portuguese that's very similar to slavic languages. There's also the "sh" sound that comes up at times where in spanish it would be an "s", which gives it that "slurred spanish" or "something in your mouth" quality from a Spanish point of view. Ooo, isn't "R" sometimes pronounced like "H", though?

I mean, I'm not just making it all up, here.

And it's actually kinda hard for me to imagine anyone but the most basic of rednecks taking offense to english being made fun of; it's such a mongrel language full of contradictions, exceptions, and a ridiculous spelling schema that nobody envies people learning it as a second language. It's an unholy mess! And that's also why it has such room for delights, but ain't nobody fooling themselves that it's not an absolute train wreck of a language. It's like a history of european conquests, and every conqueror is still fighting the vanquished through this absurd language we call English. It is a language at war with itself and has been for a thousand years. Please, mock it. 8)
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by Bandarra » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:45 pm

The R is never pronouced like a H, but I guess that from an outside point of view it may sound sometimes like that if people talk fast.
Dont worry beacause portuguese is also a mess, I guess all languages are a mess full of strange rules and contrdictons.

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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by mackerelmint » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:24 pm

Bandarra wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:45 pm
The R is never pronouced like a H, but I guess that from an outside point of view it may sound sometimes like that if people talk fast.
Dont worry beacause portuguese is also a mess, I guess all languages are a mess full of strange rules and contrdictons.
Oh, OK. R varies so much in different languages that it's not at all surprising to hear that R can sound H like at speed.

R in Mandarin, for example, is almost like a "ZHR" sound, but in Japanese it's somewhere between r, l, and d.
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Re: How to pronounce PAU FERRO..?

Post by aliendawg » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:10 am

In Brazilian Portuguese "R" is pronounced with a tongue roll most of the times. But "RR" most definitely sounds like an H, as if you're sighing. I'd say the "rr" sound is very similar to the sound of "wh" in the word "Whore"
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