Add to our OSG List of Offsets

[edouglaspratt]

The OSG Forum list of offset guitars and basses has been dormant for about a year. As you discover offset guitars that we've not identified, could you add them to the list?

There's a thread, posted originally by Kreuzberg, June 27, 2007, (New & Reissue Section) for adding to the list and if you happen to have interesting information about a make and model, please include that (note the info from AmazingShoeGazing on the Romero).

I'll be collecting all that in a Word document that I can share with anyone who requests it.

Doug

[Rox]

I would assume that this being a forum for enthusiasts of offset guitars that ALL offset guitars would be welcome for discussion . Not just a particular few . From the Fender offsets to the parlor Hagstrom, Tiesco or Eko oddballs ( which I think are way cool by the way ) . At least that's what I got from all of it .

[wardpike]

Heathens. Only a Fender will do.

(just kidding... bahahahahahahahahaha)

[SignoftheDragon]

Some of us are proud of our nonfender heathen-dom!

(although I am planning on snapping up the first Electric XII I can afford)

[edouglaspratt]

Rox, Ward, Sign, good questions. I can't pretend to speak for the OSG Forum. We do have a team of administrators who help with technical maintenance & structure; lightly influence the tone of the website; and try to protect us from the really bad BS that can leak onto any forums. Me, I'm just another guitar player and I'll defer to our administrators if I inadvertently overstep any bounds as I try to respond to your concerns. But here's my take on the new Offset Guitars Master List...

Since 2008, this OSG Forum has become pretty open to the various definitions of offset. A list of offsets has been around the OSG Forum for a number of years and was all-inclusive when I first saw it in 2007. Now in 2010, it's in need of updating.

Between this forum and the Jag-Stang Forum, we probably have the greatest pool of knowledge on offsets. If, together, we don't revise the old list and maintain an all-inclusive master list, likely no one else will. This is an important list, not that it's definitive, but it's the only such resource I'm aware of that's available for guitar experts, historians, researchers, and guitar lovers.

So please review this draft of the revision. Correct errors and add the guitars that have been missed. And provide details if you know important information...like, was the Romero truly the prototype for the Jazzmaster?


OFFSET GUITAR MAKES AND MODELS

Updated June 12, 2010

FENDER OFFSETS

• Bronco
• Custom/Maverick
• Cyclone
• Duo-Sonic II
• Electric Mandolin
• Electric XII
• Jazzmaster
• Jaguar (all versions including baritones)
• Jag-Stang
• JZM Deluxe
• Marauder, all versions
• Mustang
• Musicmaster II, Music Master
• Performer (- Is there a Performer bass?)
• Starcaster
• Swinger
• Telemaster
• Toronado
• Bass V, and VI
• Musicmaster Bass
• Mustang Bass
• Jag-Stang bass
• Jaguar bass
• Jazz Bass
• Jazzmaster Bass (Yeah, I know, there's only three or so of them)



SQUIER OFFSETS

• Cyclone
Jagmaster
• Supersonic
• That upside down Jazzmaster one
• Vista Venus




OTHER OFFSET MAKES AND MODELS

• Admiral AK
• Aelita 1, and 2
• Alamo Fiesta
• Alden Jazzcaster
• Aria Diamond models 1532T; 1802T (2 pups version); 1803T (3 pups version)
• Aria Diamond Bass
• Audition
• Avanti (1960s Italian offset, more info needed)
Bachus Surf
• Bandmaster
• Banshee
Basslab "STD"; Basslab Soul bass
- B.C. Rich Warlock
Blade models JM4; MS2; and the Dayton Series (?)
• Burns Marvin/Apache
• Chandler models Austin Special; Avenger; Futurama; Taboo
• Charvel Surfcaster models LS1; LS2; LS3
• Columbia CSG-631
* Cort G-series
• Danelectro '67 Hornet
• Deca Strat (by Tiesco?)
• Dillion models DJM-61-HP90; DMG-75T; DSR-300GQ
• Domino Spartan
• Egmond Typhoon
• Elisound
• Elk Deluxe
* El maya
• Eko models Camaro; Cobra; X27; 500; Ekomaster
• Eko Cobra Bass
• Epiphone models BaxterMaster; ET-270
• Epiphone ET-270 Bass
• Erevan models Doubleneck Guitar/Bass; Erevan Krunk
• Ernie Ball Musicman models Stingray I and II; Axis, and AX 40
• ESP XJ6 + XJ12
• Fano
• Fernandes JG series
• Formanta
• Framus models
o Atlantik;
o Atlantik TV
o Junior 6
o Golden Television
o Strato 6
o Strato Deluxe
o Television
• Framus Atlantik Bass; Junior 4 Bass; Golden Television Star Bass
* Fresher
• Futurama Corvette Automatic
• Galanti (1960s Italian)
• Gemelli 195/4/V
• Giannini models: Gemini; Giannini Super Sonic
• Gibson models:
o Explorer
o Firebird (I, III & V, VII)
o Firebird Non-reverse
o Moderne
o Style O
o F style mandolins
o RD Artist
• Gibson Thunderbird bass
• Goya Panther
Greco models JM700; JG700;
• Grosh ElectraJet, standard and custom models
• Guyatone models:
o EB-4to
o LG-120T
o LG-130T
o LG-170T
o LG-200T
o LG-220T
• Harmony models Sillouette; Bobcat
• Hagström Futurama models Coronado / Coronado VI; Corvette / Condor
• Hang-Don (Vietnamese - model information needed)
Henmanbeva 3
• Hohner JT60;
• Hopf models Saturn 63; Telstar
• Höfner models 164V (III); 177a; Galaxie
• Hoyer
• Hutchins models Beachcomber; Hutchins Fury; Hutchins Saffron
• Ibanez models Talmam; Iceman
• Ibanez 1960s offsets (3 and 4 pu models, info needed)
• Ibanez Jazzmaster copy (lawsuit era)
• Ibanez models JetKing; ORM1; Talman; Isana
• lden Jazzcaster
• Jackson Outcaster
James Trussart Steelcaster
• Jolanas
• Jay Turser Surf Master
• Kalamazoo models KB-1;KG-1; KG-2;
• Kimaxe Thinline
• Klira Star Club
Lag Jet
• Liberty MS-150
• Malden models Liquid; Mozak; Utopia
• Martin models E-18; EB-18; EM-18; E-28; EB-28
• Mory Jazzmaster copy (Japanese - info needed)
• Mosrite The Ventures Models Mark I & II
• Murph
• Music Man Stingray I, and Stingray II
• Musima models:
o Deluxe;
o Elgita
o Eterna
o I/2
o V/2
• Norma (Japanese - info needed)
• Orpheus (Spin off brand from Conrad, imported by David Wexler and Co., Chicago, built in Japan)
• Parker Fly
• Peavey EVH Wolfgang
• Pleasant models SEV-218 and S-12S-248
• Reverend models:
o Buckshot
o Charger
o Club King
o Double Agent
o Flatroc
o Gil Parris Signature
o Jetstream
o Warhawk
• Romero (made in New Iberia, Louisianna, 1950s; lore is it was taken, with permission, by Fender reps to Leo who based the Jazzmaster body on it)
• Rondo SX SJM-62 VWH
• Samick models:
Greg Bennett Fastback FB1, and FB2;
JAB-25
• Schecter Hellcat
• Silvertone amp-in-case models 1 and 2 pickups - both the solid body and semi-hollow versions (different style!)
• Solo II Super (looks Mid Soviet)
• Stagg's M Series
• Stella (4 pickups)
• Teisco models:
o EP-200
o Fire Bird
o NB-4
o TB-64
o TG-64
• Telestar
• Tokai Jaguar copy (japanese - info needed)
• Truestone Rockstar
• Univox models Hi-Flier; UC-2
• Univox Hi-Flier Bass
• Vintage 4
• Voice models:
o Delicate
o Frontier
o Hard
o Rich Man 12
• Vox models Hurricane; Spitfire; Super Ace
• Welson Jazz Vedette
* Westminster
• Wilson Bros VM-100
• Xaviere (Guitar Fetish) models XVJT40; XVJT60; XVJT90
• Yamaha models Pacifica PAC612; SG3 ....(the other Yamaha models to be listed here)
• Zen-on models:
o EB-15
o ZES-60
o ZES-80T
o ZES-1400D
o ZES-170
o ZES-220

[jagu-war]

Basslab "STD" guitar.. which I imagine stands for "standard", instead of eeh.. sexualy transmitted desease..although, by the looks of it..
on the plus-side..it does have some sort of comp-strip.. also..no headstock

http://basslab.de/
also available as (I shit you not..) 9 string bass, but I'm not even going to post a pic of it,cause..


Edit:
I found more..
- Basslab Soul (bass)
- Cort G-series
- B.C. Rich Warlock ... was mentioned in the other thread, but ain't in the list here (I totally understand by the way)
-

[frelonvert]

So, to my understanding, Offset guitars are guitars from the 60's or Guitars reissues or in the spirit of the 60's.
I'am correct ?

There are billions of japaneses that could be on that list, but the YAMAHA's deserved it: Great Shapes ! Great sounds ! from budjet to customs or signatures !
I've made those two pannels for you, with the original 60's guitars and basses and the 2000's reissues:

[the older brother]

So, to my understanding, Offset guitars are guitars from the 60's or Guitars reissues or in the spirit of the 60's.
I'am correct ?

No. Offset guitars are guitars with an offset waist. the term origins from Leo Fenders original patent on the Jazzmaster body shape. Some of those Yamahas are qualified as offsets, some not.

[edouglaspratt]

I'll be adding these Yamahas and a few other suggested guitars in the next 24 hours.

Doug

[edouglaspratt]

So, to my understanding, Offset guitars are guitars from the 60's or Guitars reissues or in the spirit of the 60's.
I'am correct ?

No. Offset guitars are guitars with an offset waist. the term origins from Leo Fenders original patent on the Jazzmaster body shape. Some of those Yamahas are qualified as offsets, some not.

TOB, would you help us to screen those Yamahas? Which would you include as offsets and why (SG2-c is not, for example)? Thanks.

BTW, the definitions for offset can be found on the Board Index' Sound Board, in the section on Questions & Comments. The thread is titled "Criteria for offset" or something like that.

Doug

[the older brother]

SG2, SG3 and SG3-KY



edit: maybe the SB2...

edit#2: SG3 is already on the list....

[frelonvert]

OKAY ! I've understood !!! those should be offsets :

- Greco ...need the name.


- 1981-Greco JM700


- 1981-Greco JG700


- Bacchus surf:


- Blade JM4


- Blade MS2


- Squier Cyclone: not sure if it's really offset...


-Henmanbeva3


-James Trussart Steelmaster:


- Lag jet, seems to be offset...


- Also Fresher, Westminster, El maya, maded Mustang and sometimes Jazzmaster copies... i can have pictures if needed.

[noisepunk]

Fender:
Performer
Performer Bass
JZM/JZM Deluxe (Jazzmaster acoustic)

Edit: Just realized all of these are on there... I don't feel special anymore

And yes, there is a performer bass, it kicks the ass (not in looks...) of every other fender bass.

Other:
Bruno [brand] Conqueror (bass, barely offset {maybe an inch} but it's a jaguar design so it counts).

[Rox]

All due respect if there is going to be a "charter" or "registry" you might want to get a group together and look up ALL of what you " accept" as an offset for this forum because it's not even a drop in the bucket. If you ask me ( which I know no one will since I'm new) is not to have a list and accept ALL offset waist guitars open for discussion. If not your "list" will always be leaving out guitars.

An example is that I have 6 guitars. 4 are offsets. 2 of them are not on your list. Just sayin, .

[Dubs]

The Danelectro Offsets are actually split into a whole s*load of models, all from 66-68:
Coral Hornet (guitar), Wasp (4 & 6 string bass), and Scorpion (12 string) *these are beveled on all sides
Silvertone 1451, 1452 (1 and 2 pickup guitars), 1442, 1443 (long and short scale basses) *these are shaped like the Dead On '67s
Danelectro Dane A, B, C, D, & E series (all offsets, different appointments, A looks like Hawk, D looks like Corals)
Danelectro Slimline (virtually identical to Dane B series)
Danelectro Hawk (Guitar, Bass, and 12 string, all "student scale") *offset, but unique shape
Danelectro Dead On '67 re-issue

How do you parse this for the master list? I don't know, but the knowledge is eating a hole in my brain (I did cheat a little by referencing Neptune Bound)