Re: 2.11am (London time) it just occured to me....

Sauerkraut · Post by **Sauerkraut** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:56 am

My vote went to the blonde, it looks absolutely stunning.
the black one comes in second.
I don't like the pickguard on the red one, looks like my allparts guard.
I wouldn't mind owning it though.

Post by **zhivago** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:12 am

Aug wrote: #2 is neither Fiesta nor Dakota...it's just "red"

True Story.

would you like to back up your sweeping statement with anything in particular?

Post by **zhivago** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:14 am

fuzzjunkie wrote: whichever one is a '61?

i'm voting black for now.

well spotted!

it's more about the colour combos I'd go for.

I'd personaly pick '61s because of the neck profile

offsetwaistbody · Post by **offsetwaistbody** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:02 am

evoluzione wrote: Blonde (I would say that..!) based on weight and sound.
Closely followed by Black - Because it's black
Red is not even in the race - Because, well, it's red. OK for buses, Post boxes and cheap strappy shoes.

well i'd put black before blonde (ignoring the buzzstop) but i agree about "red" guitars, mind you - cheap strappy shoes can be rather

in the right circumstances

.

StevenO · Post by **StevenO** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:36 am

I've thought it over and I love that blonde.
I like the case and the strap.
It's cute.

The other two can wait......a couple of days.

Aug · Post by **Aug** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:13 am

mezcalhead wrote:
Aug wrote: #2 is neither Fiesta nor Dakota...it's just "red"

True Story.
How do you work that out? Given that all guitars age differently and camera and monitor settings will affect what you're seeing, I find it hard to see how you can be so certain about that.

Mr Maxima wrote:

It was available in three colors: Red, Blue, and White. Although similar to Fender's custom colors of the time: Dakota Red, Daphne Blue, and Olympic White, these namings were apparently never used on the Mustang. They were just plain Red, Blue, and White.

Post by **mezcalhead** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:26 am

Your quote appears to refer to Mustangs, and #2 sure looks like a Jazzmaster to me.

Aug · Post by **Aug** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:32 am

mezcalhead wrote:

Your quote appears to refer to Mustangs, and #2 sure looks like a Jazzmaster to me.

true...but Fender didn't differentiate colors for the mustangs, jazzmasters and whatnot when it came to those colors.

I have a 64 Mustang hanging on the wall, right now, that was shot in an unnamed white...and has since become a vintage olly white...the exact same color as an early 60's Jazzmaster and Jaguar...

here's some pics I took 2 weeks ago at GC Hollywood:

Post by **mezcalhead** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:47 am

Aug wrote: true...but Fender didn't differentiate colors for the mustangs, jazzmasters and whatnot when it came to those colors.

I have a 64 Mustang hanging on the wall, right now, that was shot in an unnamed white...and has since become a vintage olly white...the exact same color as an early 60's Jazzmaster and Jaguar...

That doesn't make any sense .. I don't dispute that the '66 Mustangs were just called Red/White/Blue, but obviously Fender did differentiate between the colours since other models including Jazzmasters would have been called Dakota Red or Fiesta Red whatever. Perhaps the paint was the same paint, but I don't see how you can then say that that Jazzmaster is simply "Red" since that's not what Fender called it, and Fiesta/Dakota/Candy Apple Red are distinctly different colours.

I don't see what the story about the Mustang and the random pictures of white guitars has to do with this. The name of the colour isn't going to change just because the lacquer yellows with age.

Aug · Post by **Aug** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:55 am

I'm obviously not explaining myself very well this morning...

Fender didn't designate the names Fiesta/Dakota, Daphne/Sonic or Olympic White until much later, and I'm not convinced that the paint used back then were even the same colors (forgetting all about the exact names) as they were later.

Post by **mezcalhead** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:02 am

Custom colours weren't standardized until 1960, but that's before the date of both the above Jazzmaster and the "patriotic" Mustangs you're talking about. The names of the colours, including Fiesta and Dakota Red, are clearly seen on this 1960 Fender colour chart from provide.net:

Aug · Post by **Aug** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:10 am

I'm not trying to argue here...I'm just explaining this away as I understand it.

Post by **mezcalhead** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:16 am

I'm not trying to argue either, I just don't want people to read this site and go away misinformed, which is what will happen if members make apparently definitive statements that are in fact untrue.

aen · Post by **aen** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:32 am

Blonde!

Post by **fullerplast** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:50 pm

The more I read through the prededing discussion of colors, the more confused I got. I think Aug was attributing that quote about the Mustang to the entire line of Fenders. As Mezcal said, the custom colors were already established (by name) for the top line Fenders. It was automotive paint, Leo didn't name them. But the names and shades were fairly consistent to the present day. In cotrast, the student models prior to '64 were only available in Desert Sand and Sienna Sunburst (and white at the very end of the run).

When the Mustang came along, one of the exciting things of the debut was the new colors available on a student model. The same paint was uised, but they were only called red, white and blue without the custom color prefix. That much is documented and true. But the reason for it, and I speculate here; was because the Mustang wore standard colors, not custom colors. The custom name prefix was simply deleted, probably to avoid confusion (and possibly anger) from people who were paying an extra charge for the privilege of having a "custom color" on their upper line Fenders. Adding the student model to the chart and charging extra for those colors was simply not a good idea from a marketing or manufacturing standpoint.

Always frugal, Leo likely saw no point in procuring different shades of red, white, and blue when they already had it on hand. Besides, those colors are non-metallic and worked well with a "Patriotic" theme.

All Dakota Reds are red, yes.

But not all reds are Dakota...

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