Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

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Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by RoséBear » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:55 am

Hey guys,

So I have a mastery in my jaguar and I just noticed that it rocks back and forth just a little when I use the trem heavily. I’m wondering if this is normal. Obviously, the posts pretty much are filled by the bridge, but there’s some movement there. The saddles not move, just the bridge itself slightly.

I tried removing the shim, which honestly didn’t do much of anything except make me lower my action.

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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by Debaser » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:47 am

I’ve owned several Mastery bridges, including a 4.1. They all move, even with the Mastery thimbles.

Since my tuning is stable, I don’t see it as a ‘defect’. It seems some movement is just what bridges do when you violently flail a vibrato. :)
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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by timtam » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:59 am

As long as things stay in tune with trem use, a little movement shouldn't be an issue. But it does mean that the strings are gripping the saddles. That's what strings should do to a rocking bridge, but a fixed bridge should allow the strings to slide. Mastery makes a big deal of their low-friction 'self-lubricating' saddles. But it wouldn't hurt to add some lubrication to a fixed bridge. Downforce increases friction, so to some extent a more stationary Mastery would be achieved by reducing break angle.
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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by RoséBear » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:45 am

timtam wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:59 am
As long as things stay in tune with trem use, a little movement shouldn't be an issue. But it does mean that the strings are gripping the saddles. That's what strings should do to a rocking bridge, but a fixed bridge should allow the strings to slide. Mastery makes a big deal of their low-friction 'self-lubricating' saddles. But it wouldn't hurt to add some lubrication to a fixed bridge. Downforce increases friction, so to some extent a more stationary Mastery would be achieved by reducing break angle.
When I pull up on the bar, it doesn’t stay in tune as well. Dropping the bar, no problem. So I have a thin shim in the heel of the neck pocket now. Is it worth removing this for less friction? Will this mess up my setup at all I.e. introduce more buzzing at the first few frets? I was having issues with buzzing and I think I got it to a good spot. Just don’t want to open a can of worms!

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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by boytbpc » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:59 pm

Try loosening the strings, setting the bridge vertical, and retuning. This should correct the problem of the guitar going out of tune when you pull up on the bar.

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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by andy_tchp » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:56 pm

boytbpc wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:59 pm
Try loosening the strings, setting the bridge vertical, and retuning. This should correct the problem of the guitar going out of tune when you pull up on the bar.
It's a Mastery Bridge, so always 'vertical'.
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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by timtam » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:00 pm

RoséBear wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:45 am
timtam wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:59 am
As long as things stay in tune with trem use, a little movement shouldn't be an issue. But it does mean that the strings are gripping the saddles. That's what strings should do to a rocking bridge, but a fixed bridge should allow the strings to slide. Mastery makes a big deal of their low-friction 'self-lubricating' saddles. But it wouldn't hurt to add some lubrication to a fixed bridge. Downforce increases friction, so to some extent a more stationary Mastery would be achieved by reducing break angle.
When I pull up on the bar, it doesn’t stay in tune as well. Dropping the bar, no problem. So I have a thin shim in the heel of the neck pocket now. Is it worth removing this for less friction? Will this mess up my setup at all I.e. introduce more buzzing at the first few frets? I was having issues with buzzing and I think I got it to a good spot. Just don’t want to open a can of worms!
I would try some extra saddle lubrication first (eg graphite). And also look at the other common culprit in de-tuning, ie string binding in the nut slots. And good string stretching to pull all the slack out of the string interfaces. I just threw the lower downforce => lower friction thing out there because we have to consider that the physics of fixed and rocking bridges are different. But if your overall setup is good with the shim I wouldn't mess with that.
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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by RoséBear » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:48 pm

timtam wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:00 pm
RoséBear wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:45 am
timtam wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:59 am
As long as things stay in tune with trem use, a little movement shouldn't be an issue. But it does mean that the strings are gripping the saddles. That's what strings should do to a rocking bridge, but a fixed bridge should allow the strings to slide. Mastery makes a big deal of their low-friction 'self-lubricating' saddles. But it wouldn't hurt to add some lubrication to a fixed bridge. Downforce increases friction, so to some extent a more stationary Mastery would be achieved by reducing break angle.
When I pull up on the bar, it doesn’t stay in tune as well. Dropping the bar, no problem. So I have a thin shim in the heel of the neck pocket now. Is it worth removing this for less friction? Will this mess up my setup at all I.e. introduce more buzzing at the first few frets? I was having issues with buzzing and I think I got it to a good spot. Just don’t want to open a can of worms!
I would try some extra saddle lubrication first (eg graphite). And also look at the other common culprit in de-tuning, ie string binding in the nut slots. And good string stretching to pull all the slack out of the string interfaces. I just threw the lower downforce => lower friction thing out there because we have to consider that the physics of fixed and rocking bridges are different. But if your overall setup is good with the shim I wouldn't mess with that.
No I get it! Thank you all for all your help. I ordered “zero tolerance” mastery thimbles to minimize bridge movement. I think if the bridge was binding anywhere, it wouldn’t stay in tune with constant divebombing and huge bends. But it does! So I think I’ll leave that shim

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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by Gonkulator » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:10 am

Did you make sure that the bridge posts themselves are tight? Typically when you install the Mastery you loosen those posts, place the bridge on and then tighten them up once you get the proper height you want.

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Re: Mastery Bridge- Some movement?

Post by MechaBulletBill » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:24 am

if you set the bridge plate very low and raise saddles to get the desired string height, i think you would get less rocking movement in the thimbles. is this still how mastery advises users to set up?

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