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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:26 am

It's never been pinned as far as I know. I'd be ok with that. Never thought to ask about doing that...
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by min7b5 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:28 am

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Well, funny thing... now thinking about what i just posted i should have just gone with the 7th or 8th diagram down in the OP.

Solo switch with the phase and series parallel that i wanted....Oh well i guess i just get added options at the expense of some confusion.
That schematic will work for you? I looked over what you drew up briefly, but last night at work was nuts. I wasn't sure the things you were going for specifically (phase, series-parallel, etc.).

And min7b5, I haven't forgotten you! I'm hoping to get another schematic done this weekend, and I'll look over yours then, unless some time is freed up during the week this week.
All good! I'm trying to work it out my self, but get lot on the bass cut & connecting it back to the S/P switch. I'm in no rush:)

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Rgand » Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:17 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:26 am
It's never been pinned as far as I know. I'd be ok with that. Never thought to ask about doing that...
On the leather forum I moderate, we do that with threads that are technical and useful like this one.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:38 am

Rgand wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:17 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:26 am
It's never been pinned as far as I know. I'd be ok with that. Never thought to ask about doing that...
On the leather forum I moderate, we do that with threads that are technical and useful like this one.
If the mods here want to sticky this thread, since people do use it as a resource, that would be cool. I also posted the link in my signature years ago for that reason as well ;)
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Rgand » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:02 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:38 am
Rgand wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:17 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:26 am
It's never been pinned as far as I know. I'd be ok with that. Never thought to ask about doing that...
On the leather forum I moderate, we do that with threads that are technical and useful like this one.
If the mods here want to sticky this thread, since people do use it as a resource, that would be cool. I also posted the link in my signature years ago for that reason as well ;)
Having it in your signature is a good idea, too. :thumbsup:

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by mgeek » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:02 pm

Hello! Is there any chance you could help me out with a simplified version of the Brian May layout/circuit, but parallel rather than series?

Just after an on/off for each pickup, and a volume and tone.

Also looking for a 2 pickup, 3 way rotary 4p3t (bridge/both/neck) with master vol and tone, layout

Any help would be much, much appreciated! I've tried following circuits along,and I'm starting to get how they might work, but not confident that I could draw my own out from scratch yet

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:38 pm

mgeek wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:02 pm
Hello! Is there any chance you could help me out with a simplified version of the Brian May layout/circuit, but parallel rather than series?

Just after an on/off for each pickup, and a volume and tone.

Also looking for a 2 pickup, 3 way rotary 4p3t (bridge/both/neck) with master vol and tone, layout

Any help would be much, much appreciated! I've tried following circuits along,and I'm starting to get how they might work, but not confident that I could draw my own out from scratch yet
I can do both very quickly, and may have a few minutes tomorrow morning after work to do them.

The first one is basically just a Bass VI with no strangle switch (the far right switch in the block of 4): essentially you have a common, and then each pickup's hot lead gets wired to either side of the switch (top if you want down to be the off-position, bottom if you want up to be the off-position).

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by mgeek » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:54 pm

oooh thank you! They are both gonna be on the same guitar in a 2+2 stereo setup...can't wait to try it out. Looking at that, I can follow it, and think I can see how it'd work to just leave bits off. When I looked at the Brian May wiring (haha actually, what i want is nothing like that bar the switches, is it... ;D ) all the phase stuff etc was too interconnected for me to grasp what was going on

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:35 pm

You're welcome! Do you still need help with the rotary schematic then?

One thing to thing about is that you could easily use a 3-way rotary switch (which are generally sold as a 3P4T, AKA 4-way) is have series as well. Kinda like a 4-way blade switch on a Tele.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by mgeek » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:59 pm

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You're welcome! Do you still need help with the rotary schematic then?

One thing to thing about is that you could easily use a 3-way rotary switch (which are generally sold as a 3P4T, AKA 4-way) is have series as well. Kinda like a 4-way blade switch on a Tele.
Yes please! Those are even more confusing to me...all those lugs! I've got one in my Vox Phantom but that's a 3 pos/3 pickups setup

The setup is gonna be two pairs of pickups running to two separate outputs- a normal set (burns trisonics with the rotary switch) then another pair (with the slide switches) that can be turned on or off for additional stereo effects

I was looking at something like this https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products ... lsrc=aw.ds

but open to any/all suggestions!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:14 am

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Just in case you're wondering. The center lug is generally the common for a rotary. The outer ones determine how many positions there are. This is just a rough example, but you see what I mean. For a project, you'll want to have a multimeter to check continuity between the outer and inner lugs for each position, to make sure you wire it right, but once you do, you'll understand it very well.

I would say to probably get one with a metal shaft (and likely a shorter length shaft), unless your guitar has a thick top or deep pot holes. Heh, pot holes :D When I draw up the schematic, I'll link to which one would work, so you shouldn't have any trouble. Are you in the UK, US, or elsewhere?

So, the 2 groups will be running completely independently with no cross-over?
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

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Just in case you're wondering. The center lug is generally the common for a rotary. The outer ones determine how many positions there are. This is just a rough example, but you see what I mean. For a project, you'll want to have a multimeter to check continuity between the outer and inner lugs for each position, to make sure you wire it right, but once you do, you'll understand it very well.

I would say to probably get one with a metal shaft (and likely a shorter length shaft), unless your guitar has a thick top or deep pot holes. Heh, pot holes :D When I draw up the schematic, I'll link to which one would work, so you shouldn't have any trouble. Are you in the UK, US, or elsewhere?

So, the 2 groups will be running completely independently with no cross-over?
Thanks a lot dude! I'm in the UK

So is 'common' the same as ground/earth/negative? I've got a murky understanding of that stuff, but this is really helpful.

Yeah I'll find something a bit more sturdy- I've used one of these before in my Vox, because I thought what was in there was original and I'd be replacing like with like, but actually...suspect it might have been a replacement. I just sawed the (plastic) shaft down on that!

Aaand yep, independently with no crossover! I want to have a regular set running through one amp and then a secondary set going into another signal chain that can be flicked on or off for additional stereo effects

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:05 pm

mgeek wrote:
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Thanks a lot dude! I'm in the UK

So is 'common' the same as ground/earth/negative? I've got a murky understanding of that stuff, but this is really helpful.

Yeah I'll find something a bit more sturdy- I've used one of these before in my Vox, because I thought what was in there was original and I'd be replacing like with like, but actually...suspect it might have been a replacement. I just sawed the (plastic) shaft down on that!

Aaand yep, independently with no crossover! I want to have a regular set running through one amp and then a secondary set going into another signal chain that can be flicked on or off for additional stereo effects
Ok cool. I'll search for the switch you'll need, when I finish it tomorrow. I got home this morning, opened my computer, started to draw, and passed out for like 30 minutes. I needed sleep badly. I'll do it after work this morning, seeing how I got a bit of sleep today ;)

Ground/earth and negative aren't the same as common in regard to switching. Switches use different terminals/lugs for different reasons. In this case, when I say common (referring to my rotary explanation/drawing), I mean the inner dot/lug. It's common because the signal goes from whichever outer lug is selected to the common. The common always has a connection with one of the outer lugs, and it's only the outer lugs that change when you rotate the switch.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by mgeek » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:40 pm

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
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Thanks a lot dude! I'm in the UK

So is 'common' the same as ground/earth/negative? I've got a murky understanding of that stuff, but this is really helpful.

Yeah I'll find something a bit more sturdy- I've used one of these before in my Vox, because I thought what was in there was original and I'd be replacing like with like, but actually...suspect it might have been a replacement. I just sawed the (plastic) shaft down on that!

Aaand yep, independently with no crossover! I want to have a regular set running through one amp and then a secondary set going into another signal chain that can be flicked on or off for additional stereo effects
Ok cool. I'll search for the switch you'll need, when I finish it tomorrow. I got home this morning, opened my computer, started to draw, and passed out for like 30 minutes. I needed sleep badly. I'll do it after work this morning, seeing how I got a bit of sleep today ;)

Ground/earth and negative aren't the same as common in regard to switching. Switches use different terminals/lugs for different reasons. In this case, when I say common (referring to my rotary explanation/drawing), I mean the inner dot/lug. It's common because the signal goes from whichever outer lug is selected to the common. The common always has a connection with one of the outer lugs, and it's only the outer lugs that change when you rotate the switch.
aha! thanks so much dude, I've got a bunch of finishing work to do on the proj so no whenever you can


*edit*

ooh just been looking at your build thread...would those NKK rocker switches work instead of the little sliders on the on/off circuit? I *love* rocker switches, ever since having a Fenton Weill triplemaster...they feel really good

++ one thing I need to keep in mind is the depth of the switches. The guitar is only 30mm or so deep overall

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:19 am

The slider switches shouldn't be an issue. I found that they only need 3/4" (19mm) cavity depth. I wouldn't recommend it, but if you REALLY needed to, you could probably the lugs outward just a little bit, to give you an extra millimeter or two.

For rocker switches, I'd recommend NKK M-series. I have some M-series for a project and they're really nice. You can switch the caps to get different colors too. Here's the PDF data sheet for them.
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