Custom metallic colours rumour

[the older brother]

I talked with Luthier GNU today - and he said a quite awful thing. The laquer that you can get the custom colour metallics in (some kind of acrylic) are about to be cancelled (enviromental issues I guess) - and will be replaced with water based laquer. He was worried that the water based laquer didn't work with nitro clearcoat - wich in worst case means - No more nicely aged nitro on top of your CAR/IBM/Inca Silver etc.... This MAY only be relevant in Sweden, but likely whole EU and possibly WW.

As said - this is rumours, and I don't have all info, but if you got some more - please post it!

EDIT: Didn't know where to post this (felt this was the best place), but mods - feel free to move it.

edit: I changed the RoS spelling on "rumour" 

[Mighty Tom]

I'm sure here in America we'll continue to shit on the environment.

[Green angel]

I'm sure here in America we'll continue to shit on the environment.

[thewizardofaz]

As far as I know, the color coats were never nitro, they were a thin acrylic or poly finish from Dupont or Lucite. Curtis Novak can tell you which. He'll even send you sticks with each color you can take to your paint dealer to match.  Only the clear was nitro. I use Dupont Chromabase, which is quite compatible with nitro top coats. I have used Sherwood Green, Thunderbird Bronze, Sapphire Blue and for my jag am using Atomic Orange, which is a current Corvette color.

[the older brother]

As far as I know, the color coats were never nitro, they were a thin acrylic or poly finish from Dupont or Lucite.

I think I said that in the first post.....

The laquer that you can get the custom colour metallics in (some kind of acrylic) are about to be cancelled (enviromental issues I guess)

and later...

He was worried that the water based laquer didn't work with nitro clearcoat

BTW there was/is nitro colours - I've just refin a JM in Nitro Olympic white..... It's the metallics that weren't nitro.

[Stereordinary]

I use Dupont Chromabase...

I you don't mind telling, where do you get it from and how much per quart?

[Jjango]

As far as I know, the color coats were never nitro, they were a thin acrylic or poly finish from Dupont or Lucite.

I've heard conflicting versions of this.

For example, http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html says:

Here are all the custom colors, their original paint type (remember, Duco is nitrocellulose, Lucite is acrylic), the years Fender used them, and what cars they originated.

[Jazzprod]

I talked with Luthier GNU today - and he said a quite awful thing. The laquer that you can get the custom colour metallics in (some kind of acrylic) are about to be cancelled (enviromental issues I guess) - and will be replaced with water based laquer. He was worried that the water based laquer didn't work with nitro clearcoat - wich in worst case means - No more nicely aged nitro on top of your CAR/IBM/Inca Silver etc.... This MAY only be relevant in Sweden, but likely whole EU and possibly WW.

As said - this is rumors, and I don't have all info, but if you got some more - please post it!

EDIT: Didn't know where to post this (felt this was the best place), but mods - feel free to move it.

I've just encounter this first hand:
I called a company about some old colours (blue ice and firemist silver).

They said that they're in a transition fase right now, going from acrylic laquer to solvent free water based paint. 
And regarding 50's - 60's - 70's colours, they are going to be hard to get and will only be manufactured(?) on dispense. ( I looked that word up but am not sure you know what I mean)  :-\

[vancouverois]

They said that they're in a transition fase right now, going from acrylic laquer to solvent free water based paint. 

Does it mean it is going to apply to all the lacquers, I mean all the colors?
So may be would it be time to buy some in advance.
One day I saw an article on the web, it said that you could still find old style nitro in Romania.
I am not sure if it is still the case as Romania is part of EU now, so European laws apply.

[Stratelejazzuar]

They said that they're in a transition fase right now, going from acrylic laquer to solvent free water based paint. 

Does it mean it is going to apply to all the lacquers, I mean all the colors?
So may be would it be time to buy some in advance.
One day I saw an article on the web, it said that you could still find old style nitro in Romania.
I am not sure if it is still the case as Romania is part of EU now, so European laws apply.

if i was still with my romanian ex-girlfriend, maybe i'd be able to get som esolid answers on this, but that ended 5 years ago, lol. where was this thread back then, huh? where?!!

when i went there with her in 2002, tho, it didn't look like they were a society that was fully into the law. i got a joyride in a police van with a few cops and my GFs cousin, lol...

i think a type of paint wouldn't be the first thing the feds are going to dispose of, lol. but you never know - i saw a documentary on how young homeless kids were sniffing paint to get high...

so sad to see all that nitro paint go to waste.... 

[Stratelejazzuar]

oh, and it was sad about the kids, too. 

[the older brother]

Once again:

It is the Metallic colours that is acrylic (Lucide colours in Fender charts) that will be discontinued (or changed to waterbased) NOT - I repeat - NOT the Nitro laquer - at least that's what my luthier said.

...and as this seem to have just happened to Jazzprod - it's definitely true in Sweden and most likely in EU.

One can only hope the water based stuff's gonna work with nitro clearcoat.....

[vancouverois]

I found an automotive paint store on the web, not sure if it is still available.
http://www.paintforcars.com/acrylic_lacquer_paint.html

I was wondering if a body repair shop can still have some acrylic metallic colors althought I've heard they mostly use water based paint nowadays.
I remember years ago it was the brand "Corona" and their acrylic paint was named "Duracryl".
It was possible to have all the car manufacturers colors including metallic.
Corona became PPG, at least in Europe not sure about North America.

+1 for the Romanian girlfriend  I've been there in 2003 and I agree about the laws 

[thewizardofaz]

Sorry about the misinfo on the original color coats. Yes, some color coats were lacquer. I don't know why I said that, because I know better. The Dupont Chromabase is available in most auto finish stores. The one I use is FinishMaster and it's on the west coast primarily. They can mix any Fender color. The Chromabase is actually a urethane. It covers very well, goes on thin. That thin finish is good, but unless you mix the CB with regular thinner instead of the Dupont reducer, you have to clear coat it with lacquer within 24 hours.  The provide.net link someone provided has all the info on that. If you use CB, you have to make sure the base is perfect, because the CB is so thin, every little indentation, low spot, what have you, will show. I just finished a Bass VI using Chromabase in Thunderbird Bronze, a Ford TBird color from the 50s. It's metallic. Here's a linkhttp://www.wizardsofaz.com/gecko/bassvi.html

[thom_the_trickster]

hey.  just my two cents.  I live in canada and work as a trade painter.  the last few months our management has been running information seminars with the local paint manufacturing and distributing representatives.  what ive learned from this is that countries like Canada, U.S. and the EU  etc will be taking part in programs which will see 'solvents' removed from all paints.  how this applys to myself in a professional setting goes like this, no more oil paint, no more nasty epoxys etc... what this means to the general public.. no more oil/solvent based paints.  Paint manufacturers are struggling to re-invent their products so that they meet these restrictions.  The only way these restrictions can be bypassed is if the work being done (with these banned products) is being done in a 'shop' setting.  Like a proffesional car painter, or electronics manucturing etc.. not bob in the basement with his aeresol from reranch... google leeds, or eco-paint or califronia environmental laws..

steve.