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Re: Fender is going back into shred this NAMM...

Post by Telliot » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:33 am

Larry Mal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:29 am
Isaac Brock used a Floyd Rose on a lot of his guitars over the years, he doesn't shred.

It's just a tool same as any other.
Hey, I’m just going by the numbers here, pal. ;)
The cool thing about fretless is you can hit a note...and then renegotiate.

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Re: Fender is going back into shred this NAMM...

Post by Jaguar018 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:59 am

Telliot wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:33 am
Larry Mal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:29 am
Isaac Brock used a Floyd Rose on a lot of his guitars over the years, he doesn't shred.

It's just a tool same as any other.
Hey, I’m just going by the numbers here, pal. ;)
Coincidentally, people that make heavy use of Floyd Roses are dis-proportionally tools.

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Re: Fender is going back into shred this NAMM...

Post by Telliot » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:08 am

Jaguar018 wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:59 am
Telliot wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:33 am
Larry Mal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:29 am
Isaac Brock used a Floyd Rose on a lot of his guitars over the years, he doesn't shred.

It's just a tool same as any other.
Hey, I’m just going by the numbers here, pal. ;)
Coincidentally, people that make heavy use of Floyd Roses are dis-proportionally tools.
:D
"Coincidentally."
The cool thing about fretless is you can hit a note...and then renegotiate.

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Re: Fender is going back into shred this NAMM...

Post by mbene085 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:25 pm

Jaguar018 wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:59 am
Telliot wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:33 am
Larry Mal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:29 am
Isaac Brock used a Floyd Rose on a lot of his guitars over the years, he doesn't shred.

It's just a tool same as any other.
Hey, I’m just going by the numbers here, pal. ;)
Coincidentally, people that make heavy use of Floyd Roses are dis-proportionally tools.
I've never seen Adam Jones play a Floyd Rose.

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Re: Fender is going back into shred this NAMM...

Post by mackerelmint » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:23 pm

Larry Mal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:29 am
Isaac Brock used a Floyd Rose on a lot of his guitars over the years, he doesn't shred.

It's just a tool same as any other.
He used one the very night of the infamous burrito debacle. With no bar. He pressed and pulled it with his hand, which I thought was dumb, like he was trying to hide that he was using a floyd or something. But at that point in my day, I wasn't judging him kindly.
This is an excellent rectangle

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Post by Futuron » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:48 pm

mackerelmint wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:23 pm
He pressed and pulled it with his hand
I do that on my normal Strat if I want vibrato effects, it works nicely and there's no dangly thing in the way for the other 95% of time. The bar just sits in a bag in the case, probably due to having lost the spring the first time I unscrewed it. ::)

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Post by Lamar Fandango » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:02 pm

Am I wrong in thinking that a Floyd Rose is a bit of a commitment? They seem like a complicated order.

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Post by Danley » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:54 am

Lamar Fandango wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:02 pm
Am I wrong in thinking that a Floyd Rose is a bit of a commitment? They seem like a complicated order.
It’s more ‘set/forget’ to me. It’s not that difficult, it’s just a Strat Trem with extra screws to tighten. Its not for people who like to change string gauges and tunings though- but no trem is.
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Post by mbene085 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:38 pm

People are intimidated by Floyds, but they're also intimidated by jaguar switches/bridges. Neither are rocket surgery to operate.

I don't like what they do to the tone of the instrument, though. Strat and JM/jag vibratos each have either own tone, and I like the way they sound. Strat springs seem to add a sort of reverberant zing to notes. Jag/JM vibratos add those overtones and accentuate the string attack. Floyds just kinda impart this...thinness. Or at least, the guitars I've tried with one gave me that impression.

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Post by leokula » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:33 pm

mbene085 wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:38 pm
Strat springs seem to add a sort of reverberant zing to notes. Jag/JM vibratos add those overtones and accentuate the string attack.
Bit off-topic, but this is so true! I have a cyclone II and I always thought it sounded a lot more like a strat than a jag, despite the pickups. It's 24.75 scale, but even the jazzmaster has that attack and "thump" that I can't get out of my cyclone at all.
Jaguar > Jazzmaster :)

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Post by Danley » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:22 pm

Especially if the Strat trem is ‘floating,’ the springs contribute to tone - and potentially impart a ‘flutter’ after your attack, if only two springs are used. A Floyd does that too, but a Mustang Vibrato set to float will make that involuntary ‘attack flutter’ near unavoidable.

I think the impact of Jaguar/Jazzmaster ‘overtones’ on the amp’d tone of the instrument are a bit over-stated IMO but they definitely exist. They do have the brightness to the attack that really makes surfy trem-picked passages shine.
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Re: Fender is going back into shred this NAMM...

Post by mbene085 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:37 pm

Danley wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:22 pm
Especially if the Strat trem is ‘floating,’ the springs contribute to tone - and potentially impart a ‘flutter’ after your attack, if only two springs are used. A Floyd does that too, but a Mustang Vibrato set to float will make that involuntary ‘attack flutter’ near unavoidable.

I think the impact of Jaguar/Jazzmaster ‘overtones’ on the amp’d tone of the instrument are a bit over-stated IMO but they definitely exist. They do have the brightness to the attack that really makes surfy trem-picked passages shine.
I agree re: floating strat trems and Mustangs.

When it comes to Jag and JM overtones, I find significant differences from one instrument to the next. Bridge type, action, break angle, string gauge, scale length, etc can vary from one guitar to the next. I have one jag that absolutely cannot be used for any kind of staccato or palm mute at high gain without overwhelmingly noticeable BTB notes coming through the amp.

Now, it's the only one that really does that, and I have plenty of jags and a JM that have far, far subtler BTB notes/overtones that probably just add a little "air", but I had to mention my one jag to say that I now understand why some people think they're a really big deal. If that was my only offset, I'd definitely think they'd be of limited use for certain genres of music. I mean, the muted notes of funk rhythms come through like a sonic youth caucophany and distorted palm mutes are somewhat comical if you're not playing a song that tolerates some dissonance.

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Re: Fender is going back into shred this NAMM...

Post by JVG » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:46 pm

mbene085 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:37 pm
.... I have plenty of jags....
Crikey :o
How many Jags do you have? I thought i was bad with 3 of the things!

Going a bit off topic here, but i think it’s interesting how different a strat sounds with the bridge floating as opposed to set against the body. I’m somewhat of a Stratoholic, and have them set up differently depending on the inherent tone of the guitar (and pickups). If the Strat is too bright, floating the bridge will take off some high end and remove some sustain, giving a richer, more “mid-rangey” sound. If the guitar is too dull, i set the bridge against the body to add a bit of treble and definition. It’s a noticeable difference.

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Post by mbene085 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:25 pm

JVG wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:46 pm
mbene085 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:37 pm
.... I have plenty of jags....
Crikey :o
How many Jags do you have? I thought i was bad with 3 of the things!
At the risk of sounding exactly as insane as I actually am, i currently have six (and two incomplete projects).

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