Show your LAWSUIT guitars!!!
- HorseyBoy
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There's a nice 67 Greco up on eBay at the moment, looks like a Tele with a Rickenbacker neck and headstock: http://www.ebay.com/itm/c-1967-Greco-S- ... 0801373517" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- preservation
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thanks for the heads up- gonna watch that Greco
- cmatthes
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By the time the Norlin v. Elger documentation was filed, Ibanez had already stopped making the copies and modified their designs. Things never evolved past that complaint, except for the chilling effect it had on the copy manufacturers selling their wares in the US.sumlin wrote:That's right - got it the wrong way round. Gibson forced the change away from the 'open book' design but they also changed the Fender type headstocks as well. I'm pretty sure no actual lawsuit reached a conclusion though - just that the companies being prosecuted decided to back down. Because 'open book' Les Paul copies (and Fender type guitars) were made by other companies right through the 80s - Fernandes being an example - unless, by that point, those factories were owned by Gibson (for Epiphone) and Fender (for Squier)?
Again, "Lawsuit" IS a specific term in the vintage/collectible guitar world - it refers to near exact copies made by a handful of Japanese companies in the '70s - that particular era ONLY.
Calling an '80s, '90s or newer copy, a "Lawsuit" guitar is just not accurate, and it DOES matter. You wouldn't refer to a 1983 Strat as "Pre-CBS", right?
- cmatthes
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chordbuster wrote:This one iscmatthes wrote:This is clearly a thread about "COPY" guitars, not "Lawsuit" guitars.
There are only a very small number of guitars that would even begin to fit the "Lawsuit" category here.
Cool thread, but let's call it what it is...
EXACTLY.
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Here is an interesting article from Vintage Guitar Magazine The First Golden Age of Ibanez 1973-1982
You can see how Jeff Hasselberger changed the design of the Ibanez Les Paul neck from this
To this
You can see how Jeff Hasselberger changed the design of the Ibanez Les Paul neck from this
To this
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chordbuster wrote:Here is an interesting article from Vintage Guitar Magazine The First Golden Age of Ibanez 1973-1982
You can see how Jeff Hasselberger(Ibanez's 1st american employee) persuaded Ibanez to change the neck on their Les Paul copies
From this (1970-72)
To this (1973-1975)
- sumlin
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Remind me to party with you guys sometime.
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everytime I see that I get so happy..sumlin wrote:
Crucify the insincere, Tonight, Tonight...
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Alas, the Silver Jubilee half stack wasn't mine, I was selling it for a friend. It sounded incredible.22danielp wrote:everytime I see that I get so happy..sumlin wrote:
- Sinuata
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Not mine, but check out this 80s Greco JM copy on Yahoo Auctions (Japan):
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/a ... m109937994
I've never seen one of these before... It appears to have the rhythm circuit, trem lock (actually, looks like it's just a bump)... somehow the only part they couldn't get right are the knobs. The bids are already above real Fender Japan prices...
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/a ... m109937994
I've never seen one of these before... It appears to have the rhythm circuit, trem lock (actually, looks like it's just a bump)... somehow the only part they couldn't get right are the knobs. The bids are already above real Fender Japan prices...
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that greco jm looks sweet.
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I've got pics of that model (same color scheme and everything) in an older Japanese book on Greco copies. First time I've seen one outside of that book though. They also did it in Vintage White.
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All of these "Law Suit" guitars look like the real thing and yet they sound better than the real thing ...... fanatic. One looked like it had a hockey stick for a machine head, never saw one of those before. The Greco 330 looks so cool with what looks like a burl belly. Has any one come up with a "Rocoman" Strat? (a koby, Japan. company) I saw a few of those in the 80's. There catalog had every color and combo you could think of. There drum were cheesey, like playing cardboard boxes.
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70's (some say earlier) Univox LP Deluxe.
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1980 Tokai Silver Star
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