I have become full basement: Chase Bliss Mood MKii

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I have become full basement: Chase Bliss Mood MKii

Post by Jaguar018 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:36 am

Well guys... I am at a point where I can afford to impulse purchase pricey effects pedals. My playing background is all 90s indierock. When I really got into pedals I found I liked the 'set and forget' kinds more than the complex ones.

Knowing my days on stage (and there were never too many to begin with) are over, it's pretty much 100% basement. With that in mind I got this pedal and I am struggling a bit. My feeling is that you really have to twist the knobs to get some cool sounds out of it. I wish the knobs had a detachable section I could put somewhere else so that I don't have to haunch over the pedal the whole time. There are some really neat sounds but it's all this atmospheric ethereal loop stuff. It also seems limited with loop speeds if that makes sense. I haven't done a deep dive on the manual to confirm it, but I suspect it's more of 'notch' setting for certain knobs as opposed to a smooth gradient.

So I can't say I'm totally surprised that I'm not totally in love and 'inspired' because these pedals aren't exactly my cup of tea to begin with. It's cool and I want to figure out how to use this thing better-- but I'm still a little up in the air with it.
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Re: I have become full basement: Chase Bliss Mood MKii

Post by ryland » Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:50 pm

I'm a bit of a Chase Bliss fan and absolutely love the MOOD. Work through the manaual and watch a few youtube videos to see what it is capable of. While it is basically an ambient looper, there's a lot you can do with the dip switches on the back and presets to make it much more than a notch setting. I've worked it into more fast-paced music with some prodding...

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Re: I have become full basement: Chase Bliss Mood MKii

Post by i love sharin foo » Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:06 am

I've watched some videos of that pedal in the past. It seems really cool, as is a lot of other stuff they make. I always feel overwhelmed by things with too many options though. I know myself pretty well by now and probably wouldn't have the determination to really get to use it well.
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Re: I have become full basement: Chase Bliss Mood MKii

Post by Dr Tony Balls » Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:48 am

This has nothing to do with the usefulness or sound of the pedal but JFC why would you put a toggle switch next to two stomps?!? Asking for problems, imo.
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Post by crazyzeke » Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:56 am

Chase Bliss do wickedly good boutique oddball pedals, in an ideal world I'd have dozens of them as well as another dozen Death By Audio to live with them.

I think they're more niche due to being (not always but sometimes) weird takes on existing staples which are fun and unpredictable, a riot when you're on your own. At gigs and some rehearsals though, unpredictable ISN'T fun :D Basementing is a good use case for cool weirdness boxes.

What I never liked about certain kind of loopers is how hard it is to get an in-time loop, whereas with the Digitech JamMan XT stuff it actually helps you loop by making the start and ends match the beat even if you stop recording before the end of a bar, it's magic, and makes songwriting where you play a progression and then write a sympathetic progression over the top (or just solo I suppose) a lot quicker to work with.

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Having just Google Image searched for the MOOD, how on earth did you get the cool hyperspace paintjob? Is that a custom order?

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Re: I have become full basement: Chase Bliss Mood MKii

Post by Jaguar018 » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:56 am

Dr Tony Balls wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:48 am
Why would you put a toggle switch next to two stomps?!? Asking for problems, imo.
I see that as an issue for two types: aggressive pedal stompers with small feet and the types that do it barefoot or with socks on. My feet fall into the fairly standard size range and the toggle switch is considerably less 'tall' than the stomp switches. I'd guess it isn't really much of an issue for most people, like me, who just do their low impact noodling-- but there are probably a few good horror stories as well (for this pedal it's a toggle to go between saved settings).
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What I never liked about certain kind of loopers is how hard it is to get an in-time loop, whereas with the Digitech JamMan XT stuff it actually helps you loop by making the start and ends match the beat even if you stop recording before the end of a bar, it's magic, and makes songwriting where you play a progression and then write a sympathetic progression over the top (or just solo I suppose) a lot quicker to work with.
Yes. I don't like the loop-timing thing too much, but maybe I just need to get more familiar with it. I think a lot of Chase Bliss pedals will reward the users that take the time to understand it. I'm not a player that needs or wants to sync it to a midi clock and wire it up to my (non-existent) stereo rig. BUT even with my more simple needs and set up it's probably unfair for me to just throw up my hands after flailing around for a total of two or three hours. There are all sorts of ways to get cool loopy sounds and with a little more experience I think I could find better settings and techniques.
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Having just Google Image searched for the MOOD, how on earth did you get the cool hyperspace paintjob? Is that a custom order?
This is the "Light Bright" version of the pedal. Which is the damn reason I 'had' to buy it. :fp: I am very firmly in the camp of aesthetics-- especially when it comes to gear. I saw a few pictures of this version of the pedal and could not resist-- neither the original version or MKii's color schemes had much appeal.
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Re: I have become full basement: Chase Bliss Mood MKii

Post by crazyzeke » Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:35 am

Jaguar018 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:56 am
This is the "Light Bright" version of the pedal. Which is the damn reason I 'had' to buy it. :fp: I am very firmly in the camp of aesthetics-- especially when it comes to gear. I saw a few pictures of this version of the pedal and could not resist-- neither the original version or MKii's color schemes had much appeal.
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It's so cool! I love it. In an ideal world all pedalboards would be rainbow coloured, including mine. It's why it's pleasing seeing certain combinations of BOSS pedals done well.

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Re: I have become full basement: Chase Bliss Mood MKii

Post by X-Ray Spex » Mon May 20, 2024 11:30 pm

crazyzeke wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:56 am
What I never liked about certain kind of loopers is how hard it is to get an in-time loop, whereas with the Digitech JamMan XT stuff it actually helps you loop by making the start and ends match the beat even if you stop recording before the end of a bar, it's magic, and makes songwriting where you play a progression and then write a sympathetic progression over the top (or just solo I suppose) a lot quicker to work with.
Could you explain this a bit further? I'm terrible at getting my loops in time so this sounds incredible.
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Post by crazyzeke » Tue May 21, 2024 1:49 am

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Could you explain this a bit further? I'm terrible at getting my loops in time so this sounds incredible.
It is, and I'm genuinely surprised more people don't choose Digitech Jamman products over Boss Loop Station ones, which unless they've changed anything in the last 5-10 years since I last properly looked into it are kinda notorious for making it hard to create perfect loops.

Digitech Jamman I've used (Solo and the successor Solo XT, really few differences between them) allow you to set a tempo either by tapping the Tempo button or using the footswitch to do the same - takes a little getting used to but it's a good way to hands free.

When the tempo is set you press the foot switch to start recording. It'll give you a one bar count in, so four clicks basically, then you record, and even if you press the foot switch again to finish recording before the precise end of the last bar it'll just time it until the end of the bar and then begin the loop which is now perfectly in time, no abrupt end to pull the whole thing away from the tempo you set. That's usually a good time to hit the store button and save it.

Then you can overdub by keeping the loop going, pressing the foot switch again (the light is more orange than red for overdubs I think) and recording the second part. If you mess up you can press and hold the foot switch to undo it, and conversely you can press and hold it again to redo it.

When you change loops - say you have two complimentary parts and one is memory slot 09, and other is 10 - you can "preload" the loop so if you're on 09 you change to 10 and it'll wait until the end of 09 before switching to 10. If you think about the implications of this you realise you can switch between a verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge when you're writing a song, and in fact any variations if you recorded them, like maybe verse 2 is heavier or has more instruments so you can switch to that, and the pedal keeps everything perfectly in time and won't stop playback of loops until you do a rapid double-click on the foot switch.

There's a separate three footswitch control you can get as well, to make all that stuff even easier.


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I had that when I had the Solo XT but it ended up getting traded in when I got the Meteora, so with my current Solo it's not there but I might get one again if I start doing more looping.

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Oh yeah and another thing you can do is speed up and slow down the loop - time stretching, basically - without affecting the pitch, and in my experience if you're speeding it up there are barely any noticeable audible artefacts, which is pretty impressive considering it's basically doing this in real time. Hats off to the Digitech engineers who made this line of products, there's some top flight engineering going on. It's as simple as using a tap tempo and it'll adjust the speed - I think maybe the loop has to be stopped to do this, but it is possible, and I believe you can then store that either over the original patch or on another slot.

If the software still works you can import audio to it by connecting it to a compatible Mac or Windows PC, I believe. I remember for test purposes I put some vinyl rips on there as "single shot" (as in they don't loop - you can set this in software or on the pedal itself) and it played them back perfectly. So potentially as it has full range frequency response if you have backing tracks (or sections of backing tracks to move between) you could hook this up to a full range PA and not through guitar amps, depends how far you wanted to go with it.

I'd love to get more use out of mine because it's got loads of potential, including having synth loops going in my originals band where I can play completely separate lines over the top during full band songs, but even with a great rhythm section it's notoriously hard to keep stuff in time without a click track, especially if your loops are pad/verby swells and where the beat is isn't obvious. You're asking for trouble because at some point speeding up or slowing down is going to happen, most likely.
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