Re: IT HAS ARRIVED

FireAarro · Post by **FireAarro** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:28 pm

Yeah, but they make 'em. 400 watts solid state isn't very loud for a bass amp.

StevenO · Post by **StevenO** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:41 pm

400 watts solid state for bass is more than enough. You only REALLY need 100 for band practicing, any less is too little, though. I, of course, like lots of power!

FireAarro · Post by **FireAarro** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:21 pm

My 180 watt Behringer head with a Hartke 1*15 cab was definitely not enough, couldn't hear myself in a rock band most the time (and we play pretty soft, have a jazz drummer and keyboardist). 300 watts is sufficient on stage generally, I think... definitely depends on the cab as well.

Post by **OffYourFace** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:13 pm

FireAarro wrote: My 180 watt Behringer head with a Hartke 1*15 cab was definitely not enough, couldn't hear myself in a rock band most the time (and we play pretty soft, have a jazz drummer and keyboardist). 300 watts is sufficient on stage generally, I think... definitely depends on the cab as well.

"Behringer" is the key word here. No offense! I worked in musical inst. retail and their amps are worthless. All they are is bad copies of something else with the cheapest parts available. I compared a Roland kybrd amp to a behringer kybrd amp by turning them both all the way up with nothing plugged in. The Roland did hum but it seemed reasonable. The behringer hiss so loud i thought it was going to blow up! Immediately i went to every behringer amp in the store and did the same test... I got the same exact result from all of them.

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:01 pm

when comes to bass amp, it seems that you need more power to get those low frequencies heard. i think thats why alot of bass heads are solid state. you can fit tons of little mosfets on a board instead of cramming like 4 pairs of power tubes plus a huge transformer in a head box.

either way, i had rehearsal on thursday and i played with a guy that has a blues deville 2x12 and a guy that was playing bass through an svt 4 pro. they kept asking me to turn sown and i wasnt even a quarter up on the master volume. and it sounds AMAZING.

chrisjedijane · Post by **chrisjedijane** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:19 pm

Yeah, you need more power to get the low end clear without distorting. Most bass players like to have tons of headroom (I really don't).

As for power tubes, it all depends what kind of valves you're using - my current favourite amp (the ampeg SVT-VR) uses 6 6550 valves to pump out 300W.

Of course, people always forget about cab size and speaker efficiency in these kind of situations, too. It can have a massive effect on the volume of your amp.

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:25 pm

yeah you are right, having efficient speakers and the correct size/configuration really makes a difference, especially when it comes to what frequencies are being pushed more. a bass cab with 4 10's is natuarally gonna pump out more mids than a 1x15, but less bass.

i like my basslines slightly gritty for most applications, but fuzzed out other times.

FireAarro · Post by **FireAarro** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:27 pm

OffYourFace wrote:
FireAarro wrote: My 180 watt Behringer head with a Hartke 1*15 cab was definitely not enough, couldn't hear myself in a rock band most the time (and we play pretty soft, have a jazz drummer and keyboardist). 300 watts is sufficient on stage generally, I think... definitely depends on the cab as well.
"Behringer" is the key word here. No offense! I worked in musical inst. retail and their amps are worthless. All they are is bad copies of something else with the cheapest parts available. I compared a Roland kybrd amp to a behringer kybrd amp by turning them both all the way up with nothing plugged in. The Roland did hum but it seemed reasonable. The behringer hiss so loud i thought it was going to blow up! Immediately i went to every behringer amp in the store and did the same test... I got the same exact result from all of them.

Point taken, that rig has nice tone at low levels though, better than my new amp at that volume. The cab is pretty crappy too. I still don't think a 100 watt SS amp is enough for a loud band. My keyboardist from the above mentioned band just replaced his $1000 keyboard amp with a Behringer one half the price and he reckons it's great for the price, we'll see how it holds up...

Post by **mezcalhead** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:57 am

chrisjedijane wrote: Yeah, you need more power to get the low end clear without distorting. Most bass players like to have tons of headroom (I really don't).

When I gigged regularly as a bassist I used a 400W SS head which wasn't particularly loud even in a three-piece band.

A lot of guys use a tube preamp to warm up the sound rather than cart around a valve bass head.

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:36 pm

yeah, but the important point is that my vox ac30cc2 arrived and i love it and its amazing and its the best amp ive ever played and i think im gonna go play...

FireAarro · Post by **FireAarro** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:25 pm

yes

sorry for derail

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:07 pm

haha no worries. i hope moonsocket can sort his volume problem out. your bassist shouldnt be drowning you out, you guys should be blending...

moonsocket · Post by **moonsocket** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:03 am

Well, he is another band called VKNGS that turn the amps they have up to 10. I think he uses a Marshall Major and 2 4X12 cabs in that band. Probably the loudest band in Halifax right now.

I think Im trading my AC30CCH and 4X12 cab for a Vox AC30CC2 combo. The 4xx12 takes up a lot of room in the office.

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:55 pm

moonsocket wrote: Well, he is another band called VKNGS that turn the amps they have up to 10. I think he uses a Marshall Major and 2 4X12 cabs in that band. Probably the loudest band in Halifax right now.

I think Im trading my AC30CCH and 4X12 cab for a Vox AC30CC2 combo. The 4xx12 takes up a lot of room in the office.

awesome. love the combo.

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:00 pm

i just listened to VKNGS and the holy shroud and i added. freakin awesome music.