Blackface Bassman in a box?

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by fuzzjunkie » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:13 am

johnnysomersett wrote:
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If this was my set up I would be really tempted by the Orange Pedal Baby 100.
I looked at those and they would be perfect but I'm trying to keep this pedalboard-size friendly, ideally to fit both on a nano.
Ah, I was imagining both sitting on top of a speaker cabinet.

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by JSett » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:23 am

fuzzjunkie wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:13 am
johnnysomersett wrote:
Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:38 pm
fuzzjunkie wrote:
Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:06 pm
If this was my set up I would be really tempted by the Orange Pedal Baby 100.
I looked at those and they would be perfect but I'm trying to keep this pedalboard-size friendly, ideally to fit both on a nano.
Ah, I was imagining both sitting on top of a speaker cabinet.
They will, but I'm gonna pop them on a Pedaltrain Nano and sling that into a bag for transport. The aim is to have a Guitar, Pedalboard & Amp that I can hop on a train/bus with and, as long as there's a cab, play a gig - and not have to lug a massive old (and valuable) tube amp as part of it.

Guitar in an M80, Pedalboard in a Mono Tick, 'amp' in another small case (probably the Nano one if it fits) then off we go.
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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by UlricvonCatalyst » Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:00 am

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Meh, I'll find a solution, even if I just build a Class-D kit myself. The important & hard part is the bit you've done!
You probably know way more about this kind of stuff than I ever will, but according to CS Geetars, class D works best on 2-4 ohm speakers, which sounds a million miles away from
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30 watts won't even touch the sides in the sort of situation I'm looking at using this (driving a cab at stage volumes, often little dive bars with the cabs unmiked. If we're talking solid-state then 100-150 is likely to be what I'd like to allow room for transients and avoid any nasty clipping.

As I say, I'm as far from an expert as it gets, but that guy certainly sounds like he knows what he's on about.

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by sal paradise » Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:06 am

Only problem I can foresee is that venues rarely have cabs these days. So you might have to DI with a setup like that.

I guess with your in-ears, not gonna be an issue for you though
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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by LVC » Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:06 am

Thoman have the Harley Benton GPA-100, rated 100 W @ 8 ohms / 190 watts @ 4 ohms

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I have zero experience with it though, and don't know whether the power ratings are realistic. But it's cheap enough to try and seems to have good reviews.
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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by JSett » Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:10 am

UlricvonCatalyst wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:00 am
johnnysomersett wrote:
Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:02 am
Meh, I'll find a solution, even if I just build a Class-D kit myself. The important & hard part is the bit you've done!
You probably know way more about this kind of stuff than I ever will, but according to CS Geetars, class D works best on 2-4 ohm speakers, which sounds a million miles away from
johnnysomersett wrote:
Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:26 am
30 watts won't even touch the sides in the sort of situation I'm looking at using this (driving a cab at stage volumes, often little dive bars with the cabs unmiked. If we're talking solid-state then 100-150 is likely to be what I'd like to allow room for transients and avoid any nasty clipping.

As I say, I'm as far from an expert as it gets, but that guy certainly sounds like he knows what he's on about.
This guy makes a good point. I don't know much about class D, but I do understand the electrical logic applied here. Maybe I should rethink the amplification side of this. Pedal Baby 100 is still pretty small. Shame it only does 8 or 16 ohm (not the 4 my Bassman cabs are all wired to) but I guess those are the most likely I will see while out and about anyway.
sal paradise wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:06 am
Only problem I can foresee is that venues rarely have cabs these days. So you might have to DI with a setup like that.

I guess with your in-ears, not gonna be an issue for you though
True, but I'm also organised enough to work out some kind of cabshare ahead of the date though. Or use someones FX-in on an amp if they agree to it.
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Thoman have the Harley Benton GPA-100, rated 100 W @ 8 ohms / 190 watts @ 4 ohms

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I have zero experience with it though, and don't know whether the power ratings are realistic. But it's cheap enough to try and seems to have good reviews.
It's on the list as a maybe if I can't find something else. Not really a fan of HB as a company so try not to support them
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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by JackFawkes » Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:42 pm

Quilter used to make some really good, little 200W Class D amps that had DI and 4/8 ohm speaker outs... but I don't think they make them anymore, so you'd be stuck having to find one on the second-hand market :fp:

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by marqueemoon » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:11 pm

JackFawkes wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:42 pm
Quilter used to make some really good, little 200W Class D amps that had DI and 4/8 ohm speaker outs... but I don't think they make them anymore, so you'd be stuck having to find one on the second-hand market :fp:
A left field suggestion is the GSS Baby Sumo Not a pedal form factor, but pretty small.

One potential drawback is it’s Speakon-only, which means bringing and keeping track of an adapter cable since nearly every guitar cabinet on earth is 1/4”.

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by andy_tchp » Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:21 pm

JackFawkes wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:42 pm
Quilter used to make some really good, little 200W Class D amps that had DI and 4/8 ohm speaker outs... but I don't think they make them anymore, so you'd be stuck having to find one on the second-hand market :fp:
No, still in production and what I'd be going for.

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by marqueemoon » Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:01 pm

andy_tchp wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:21 pm
JackFawkes wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:42 pm
Quilter used to make some really good, little 200W Class D amps that had DI and 4/8 ohm speaker outs... but I don't think they make them anymore, so you'd be stuck having to find one on the second-hand market :fp:
No, still in production and what I'd be going for.

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I think they were referring to this, which isn’t one of the current offerings.

They pop up used pretty regularly here in the US. Not sure about the UK.

I’ve been trying to get my bass player to buy one since he also plays baritone and guitar and wants a do-all amp with simple controls.

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by JackFawkes » Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:25 pm

Yeah, the old Tone Blocks were the ones I was thinking of, but good to see they're still doing a version of them at least. Quilter makes some pretty great stuff.

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by UlricvonCatalyst » Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:58 pm

Now I'm wondering how heavy an old H/H power amp is, and whether or not it'd be so much longer than your pedal board that you couldn't easily find a bag which would accommodate both.

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by JSett » Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:16 pm

It's worth noting that this is going to be a rarely-used scenario... maybe a few times a year. So spending $£$£ isn't really what I was hoping to do. A few hundred on the used market is where I'm at here. The Quilters look great, but are very very spendy.
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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by marqueemoon » Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:26 am

johnnysomersett wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:16 pm
It's worth noting that this is going to be a rarely-used scenario... maybe a few times a year. So spending $£$£ isn't really what I was hoping to do. A few hundred on the used market is where I'm at here. The Quilters look great, but are very very spendy.
Fair enough, but you’ve already gone all-out in the form of a custom pedal for the preamp piece.

You might be able to house a pre-populated Class D board from Aliexpress or whatever like you mentioned earlier.

I’d just be wary of going too cheap on this.

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Re: Blackface Bassman in a box?

Post by JSett » Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:37 am

marqueemoon wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:26 am

Fair enough, but you’ve already gone all-out in the form of a custom pedal for the preamp piece.

You might be able to house a pre-populated Class D board from Aliexpress or whatever like you mentioned earlier.

I’d just be wary of going too cheap on this.
To be honest, Tony is not particularly expensive for custom work. The pedal was less than $200!
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