JHS shuts down ROSS

[eilrahc]

2) The fucking EHX Lizard Queen is the BIG one to me. That circuit is a straight rip off of a DIY design that a small guy on a forum (freestompboxes) posted (the "bazz me, fuss you"). The design of that itself is a sandwich of two very well known and old DIY circuits (the "bazz fuss" and "push me, pull you"), which the forum guy freely acknowledges. Josh Scott, said unbelievable twat, claims its his "original design". Everybody in the pedal game borrows circuits, tweaks, etc. Tons of people make Big Muffs. But to call that your own design and not credit the ingenuity of the people who actually came up with it is MAD shitty.

This is interesting, because I knew from reading bits and pieces about it online that it was a combination of the two DIY circuits, but I hadn't paid enough attention to the official press releases and things so I didn't realise he was pushing this as an "original design". That's very naughty, I know there were some controversies before with his being, shall we say, disingenuous about his circuits, but I had thought/hoped that he'd grown out of that. You wouldn't mind but JHS already has a reputation for cloning.

But then I suppose admitting that this was a clone would've fucked with the big marketing push it had and lost him some cred with the JHS fanbase. It's a shame, because it's quite a nifty fuzz.

[BTL]

To me, a "mashup" constitutes a design but not an invention.

Right, but if you didnt even come up with the mashup either? Then you're just an unbelievable twat.

Ah! I lost that detail somewhere in my journey down the rabbit hole. Carry on.

[seenoevil II]

Honestly though, unless he killed or SA'd somebody or voted for the blob, I'm really not interested.


I learned these existed from the stream of him announcing their demise.

I feel like he could have just fridged these. Do them by order and only sell them through reverb and their website. I'm sure I'm missing some business point though where that would have been more costly.

I might pick one up at 80 bucks though.

[BTL]

He's a great marketer, made a mistake on ROSS, and is blowing out excess inventory. I agree that he ventures into BS or obfuscation, but it's exceptionally rare in the world of sales to see anyone pitching someone else's product...and let's not get started on the topic of high-end cables (unrelated).

Josh is about as real as the deal gets in the world of entrepreneurship, and that's a pretty high bar to clear. I really don't care much about the nuances in pedals. I was a Boss BCB90 guy back in the day. I had more tones than I needed and I never gave a second thought to the circuit design.

[Larry Mal]

Yeah, I don't know. I watched some of his videos and he regularly showcases other products and talks about how great they are, I learn things from his stuff, his products sound good to me. Maybe I'm just too depressed about something else that happened recently to really wade into geek guitar pedal culture and lament how his circuitry isn't as original as it could be especially in an industry that really, really seems to celebrate clones of other products with incredible frequency.

I guess I would have to get upset at every Klon clone and I really don't have the time for that kind of bullshit. The freestompboxes guy should have litigated, that's the forum for this kind of thing.

Maybe I'll buy a Ross pedal tomorrow. Or a pink suit I've been looking at. I'm not much into guitar pedals.

[BTL]

By the way, whatever line Josh has crossed, I'd like to believe I'm on the other side of it. In the world of guitars and basses, I live life in the messy mash-up realm. I fully appreciate that I stand on the shoulders of giants.

[OffYourFace]

Huh... i think all the pedals minus the distortion Sold Out in 30 min.

[seenoevil II]

Huh... i think all the pedals minus the distortion Sold Out in 30 min.

Yep. Just checked. I was zeroing in on the chorus for the free vibroto setting. Whoops.

I guess I'll just go back to not caring about pedals again. Except my new EQ pedal. Thing should honestly be considered an essential accessory.

[-JB-]

Now they will all just be rehoused in smaller boxes with a fancy name and sold for twice as much.

[Dr Tony Balls]

I guess I would have to get upset at every Klon clone

Not singling you out Larry, just using this as a generic response re: clones/copies/borrows/modifications. All of that is perfectly fine, imo. As I said, tons of people make pedals either directly copying the circuits of others or borrowing heavily from them. Nothing is wrong with that, but claiming it as your "original design" is asshole behavior.

[Larry Mal]

I guess I would have to get upset at every Klon clone

Not singling you out Larry, just using this as a generic response re: clones/copies/borrows/modifications. All of that is perfectly fine, imo. As I said, tons of people make pedals either directly copying the circuits of others or borrowing heavily from them. Nothing is wrong with that, but claiming it as your "original design" is asshole behavior.

All good. Like I say, I wouldn't really even know about that, since I'm not keyed in to what I realize is a huge subculture of guitar pedals. I would just see the thing on Sweetwater and just wonder if it sounded good or what.

All the Ross pedals are sold out.

[surfin_bird]

Ok, I don’t see the problem with Josh. Is he nerdy like bonermassa? Yes. Is he on par with dad jokes? Yes. But he seems to make nice quality stuff, makes nice video’s and doesn’t shit on other brands. But that is just my opinion.

I have never been super interested in his pedals. Not enough to ever buy one. But I did just bought all the Ross pedals. Why? I need to cut back on gear and I feel I need a good basis rig. Not too many knobs, not too weird in settings. These pedals seem to fill everything you need with the exception of Reverb and Delay.

I don’t think Ross fills a gap but it seems a alternative to pedals like Boss and MXR. Totally unnecessary, but I feel a lot of pedals are one trick ponies and unnecessary. But for 77,- euro’s they seem like an absolute steal. That’s around the price for 2nd hand beaten Boss pedals around here.

I can see myself play these a lot with the addition of a Reverb, Delay, a looper and a vintage styled fuzz.

[MechaBulletBill]

edit: not the tone i should bring to proceedings. apologies.

[GilmourD]

hasn't josh used his weirdly powerful youtube/social?christian guitar owner web presence to influence the value of stuff he's selling? on reverb dot com? where everyone sells everything? is that not shady?

No?

[hulakatt]

For me Josh Scott is an entertainer, so that muddies the water even more.

I find him as entertaining as food poisoning and just as informative about the past.