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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:43 am

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Fantastic. And yeah, I've noticed the Rat functions best (at least in my setup) as the end of the line, so-to-speak, so I've been trying to tailor my gain-staging accordingly. It makes for a great fuzzy sound without all the stuff I typically don't care for in fuzzes.
That's something I haven't messed with in a while. My gains (in order) are: Catalinbread Naga Viper > IdiotBox Effects Power Driver > Magnetic Effects Lonely Robot > EQD Westwood > EQD The Dunes. I have my treble booster first because all my gain pedals sound pretty good with the treble booster driving them if I want a little extra. The sound I found that I always had in my head was the Naga Viper > The Dunes, so I put The Dunes last. I'm kinda wondering if I should try my Lonely Robot (RAT-type) last. Never done that.
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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by marqueemoon » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:01 am

I usually like highest gain first, although when I was using a treble booster that was first because it wanted to be and that worked.

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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:20 am

marqueemoon wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:01 am
I usually like highest gain first, although when I was using a treble booster that was first because it wanted to be and that worked.
That's kind of how I have mine arranged. I usually have the Lonely Robot set at a higher gain than the Westwood or the Dunes.
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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by stevejamsecono » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:07 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:43 am
stevejamsecono wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:55 pm
Fantastic. And yeah, I've noticed the Rat functions best (at least in my setup) as the end of the line, so-to-speak, so I've been trying to tailor my gain-staging accordingly. It makes for a great fuzzy sound without all the stuff I typically don't care for in fuzzes.
That's something I haven't messed with in a while. My gains (in order) are: Catalinbread Naga Viper > IdiotBox Effects Power Driver > Magnetic Effects Lonely Robot > EQD Westwood > EQD The Dunes. I have my treble booster first because all my gain pedals sound pretty good with the treble booster driving them if I want a little extra. The sound I found that I always had in my head was the Naga Viper > The Dunes, so I put The Dunes last. I'm kinda wondering if I should try my Lonely Robot (RAT-type) last. Never done that.
Do you tend to use them separately (aside from the NV) otherwise? I'm honestly pretty new to using more than one gain extra gain stage, so the idea of stomping off something before stomping on something else is pretty foreign to me.
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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:18 am

stevejamsecono wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:07 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:43 am
stevejamsecono wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:55 pm
Fantastic. And yeah, I've noticed the Rat functions best (at least in my setup) as the end of the line, so-to-speak, so I've been trying to tailor my gain-staging accordingly. It makes for a great fuzzy sound without all the stuff I typically don't care for in fuzzes.
That's something I haven't messed with in a while. My gains (in order) are: Catalinbread Naga Viper > IdiotBox Effects Power Driver > Magnetic Effects Lonely Robot > EQD Westwood > EQD The Dunes. I have my treble booster first because all my gain pedals sound pretty good with the treble booster driving them if I want a little extra. The sound I found that I always had in my head was the Naga Viper > The Dunes, so I put The Dunes last. I'm kinda wondering if I should try my Lonely Robot (RAT-type) last. Never done that.
Do you tend to use them separately (aside from the NV) otherwise? I'm honestly pretty new to using more than one gain extra gain stage, so the idea of stomping off something before stomping on something else is pretty foreign to me.
Sometimes, yeah. I always have 5 gains on my big home board, but usually only use 1 per song. I've got the Power Driver, Lonely Robot, Westwood, and The Dunes in a bypass looper, so I usually preset which gain I'm using beforehand, and then turn it on or off with the loop pedal. The only switching I do or the loop pedal or the Naga Viper during the song, which are right next to each other.
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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by stevejamsecono » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:30 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:18 am
stevejamsecono wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:07 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:43 am


That's something I haven't messed with in a while. My gains (in order) are: Catalinbread Naga Viper > IdiotBox Effects Power Driver > Magnetic Effects Lonely Robot > EQD Westwood > EQD The Dunes. I have my treble booster first because all my gain pedals sound pretty good with the treble booster driving them if I want a little extra. The sound I found that I always had in my head was the Naga Viper > The Dunes, so I put The Dunes last. I'm kinda wondering if I should try my Lonely Robot (RAT-type) last. Never done that.
Do you tend to use them separately (aside from the NV) otherwise? I'm honestly pretty new to using more than one gain extra gain stage, so the idea of stomping off something before stomping on something else is pretty foreign to me.
Sometimes, yeah. I always have 5 gains on my big home board, but usually only use 1 per song. I've got the Power Driver, Lonely Robot, Westwood, and The Dunes in a bypass looper, so I usually preset which gain I'm using beforehand, and then turn it on or off with the loop pedal. The only switching I do or the loop pedal or the Naga Viper during the song, which are right next to each other.
That's super interesting and seems really practical. Any photos of that setup? I'd be curious to see it.
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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by soggy mittens » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:21 pm

I've always had my overdrive that I stack with the turbo rat before as I like the sound of pushing the input more than boosting an shaping the output. :)
If OSG has tort me anything...

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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:05 pm

stevejamsecono wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:30 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:18 am
stevejamsecono wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:07 am
Do you tend to use them separately (aside from the NV) otherwise? I'm honestly pretty new to using more than one gain extra gain stage, so the idea of stomping off something before stomping on something else is pretty foreign to me.
Sometimes, yeah. I always have 5 gains on my big home board, but usually only use 1 per song. I've got the Power Driver, Lonely Robot, Westwood, and The Dunes in a bypass looper, so I usually preset which gain I'm using beforehand, and then turn it on or off with the loop pedal. The only switching I do or the loop pedal or the Naga Viper during the song, which are right next to each other.
That's super interesting and seems really practical. Any photos of that setup? I'd be curious to see it.
Thanks man! Here's a picture of it as it is right now (everything loose on a table to figure out final pedal order before permanently mounting them to a board):
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Signal chain (please excuse the SUPER shitty drawing from Paint (I prefer using the grid lines in Illustrator ;) ):
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(EDIT: I hate how the BOSS LS-2 has the send and return jacks on the opposite sides of traditional bypass looper pedals. It makes no sense).

soggy mittens wrote:
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I've always had my overdrive that I stack with the turbo rat before as I like the sound of pushing the input more than boosting an shaping the output. :)
So Turbo Rat > overdrive or overdrive > Turbo Rat?
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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by soggy mittens » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:46 pm

um...if looking at it from the start of the signal chain to the end.

guitar----overdrive----rat----amp.

I just find pushing the input of the rat makes it crumble in a nice saturated way. :)
If OSG has tort me anything...

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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by marqueemoon » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:57 pm

I like the idea of having dirt options in a loop like that.

I've been waffling about building a bigger board with a volume pedal and simple loop switcher for a while now, but it feels dumb/pointless in plague times.

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Re: RATs for grownups

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:03 am

soggy mittens wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:46 pm
um...if looking at it from the start of the signal chain to the end.

guitar----overdrive----rat----amp.

I just find pushing the input of the rat makes it crumble in a nice saturated way. :)
I'll have to try that! I've never put my TS-type before my RAT-type. Might be fun. I always put the TS-type at the end, like Gilmour always used the Colorsound Power Booster after his Muff/Fuzz Faces, to be a basic EQ and final volume.

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Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:57 pm
I like the idea of having dirt options in a loop like that.

I've been waffling about building a bigger board with a volume pedal and simple loop switcher for a while now, but it feels dumb/pointless in plague times.
I always did too. It's handy having that many options at your fingertips/toes.

I hear what you're saying, but I think pandemic/plague times, where we're at home just chilling, is the BEST time to do it! My second signal splitter came in the mail the other day, and I actually hooked up 3 amps today as a wet-dry-wet thing. Overkill? Absolutely. Fucking epic and a lot of fun? Absolutely.
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