Bad Religion's SUFFER album as template for modern punk

[cestlamort]

Worth mentioning that regionalism was still a major thing in that era. Bad Religion, Descendents, NOFX, Offspring, Pennywise, Big Drill Car, et al were all LA/California vs. Minneapolis (Hüsker Dü, Replacements), DC (Rites of Spring, Dag Nasty, Government Issue), Montreal (Doughboys, Nils), BC (DOA, Subhumans, nomeansno), Chicago (Naked Raygun, Effigies, Big Black) etc. Ultimately, “California” was the one later bands adopted. (Forking with “Seattle” for the post-Stooges/Sonics take).

Didn’t Brett from BR record most/all of the epitaph stuff? The engineers, producers, etc also matter.

[blacktiger]

Arguably, all pop punk can be traced back to The Buzzcocks or The Descendents. Of course, Keith Morris (who has been friends with Bill since the ‘70s) recently said that the Descendents were never a punk band. There was also a lot of very melodic punk coming out of Orange County going back to the ‘70s. If Bad Religion set the bar for pop punk going forward from the late ‘80s, that feels more like an accusation than a point of pride. Then again, outside of a few bands or songs, I was never much of a fan of pop punk…

[interceptör]

If Bad Religion set the bar for pop punk going forward from the late ‘80s, that feels more like an accusation than a point of pride.

Yeah that would be something that should be debated at the Hague instead of OSG, but I think we're talking about skate punk or some such here.

[stevejamsecono]

If Bad Religion set the bar for pop punk going forward from the late ‘80s, that feels more like an accusation than a point of pride.

Yeah that would be something that should be debated at the Hague instead of OSG, but I think we're talking about skate punk or some such here.

Honestly I don't think skatepunk is any better. Both styles suffer from extreme musical inbreeding from both a production and musicianship standpoint that for me personally is incredibly tedious to listen to.

and I do want to stress -- I like punk and it's been incredibly important to my own development as a musician. I just feel like over time it really smoothed all the interesting edges off the music and the bands in it that were most interesting seemed to 'graduate' to alternative rock or other genres once they realized they could play different kinds of music with the same level of intent and intensity.

[Ceylon]

and I do want to stress -- I like punk and it's been incredibly important to my own development as a musician. I just feel like over time it really smoothed all the interesting edges off the music and the bands in it that were most interesting seemed to 'graduate' to alternative rock or other genres once they realized they could play different kinds of music with the same level of intent and intensity.

Oh absolutely.

[interceptör]

and I do want to stress -- I like punk and it's been incredibly important to my own development as a musician. I just feel like over time it really smoothed all the interesting edges off the music and the bands in it that were most interesting seemed to 'graduate' to alternative rock or other genres once they realized they could play different kinds of music with the same level of intent and intensity.

Well yeah, despite of what I may or may not have said above, I can guarantee I love punk as much if not more than any other OSGer, it's just that it usually becomes interesting right at the point where it becomes "not punk".

[JSett]

the point where it becomes "not punk".

Careful, you'll accidentally get into the 'what is or isn't punk' debate that simply cannot be decided on. Total minefield and hot subject of likely millions of fruitless debates across the world in the last 40+ years among music dorks.

Punk is almost undefinable.

[interceptör]

the point where it becomes "not punk".

Punk is almost undefinable.

Wir sind Wittgenstein.

[budda12ax7]

Didn’t Brett from BR record most/all of the epitaph stuff? The engineers, producers, etc also matter.
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A little murky info on this.....yes he had the Epitaph recording studio going (WestBeach).....but I am sure he used a drum machine/programing on Suffer and maybe some other releases...the guitar sound is very neat with a certain tone....all those band sounded similar up to a point.

The Descendents -Everything Sucks I think was recorded there....