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Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:00 am
by rickenmetal
MIDI transmits absolutely no sound whatsoever. It is a way of linking different pieces of gear.

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:39 am
by Pepe Silvia
rickenmetal wrote:MIDI transmits absolutely no sound whatsoever. It is a way of linking different pieces of gear.
Yeah. I know. But a keyboard that is hooked to a computer that models the sound is called a midi keyboard.

Here the drums sound pretty good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbFjfLKoDRo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But then I was looking of vids of different programs like fruity loops and it sounds bad

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:44 am
by idiotbear
Fruity Loops IS pretty bad, though.

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:15 pm
by Pepe Silvia
So what is good then? What can get me the sounds like the above youtube clip?

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:54 pm
by gherb
i was in the same boat that you were in, but then gave up on programming midi drum machines.

I bought an electronic kit....a yamaha dtsexpress III...got it off of flea-bay for not much and I couldn't be happier with it. It took me a while to learn how to play it, but the sound is so much more natural and real sounding than any drum machine can come up with....but if you are going for that, have at it!!!!

just offering options...

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:08 pm
by Pepe Silvia
limited room though.

Some of these keyboards sound pretty good though. I don't really know what is what though.

The M Audio Axiom seems interesting.

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:53 am
by Orang Goreng
The Axiom seems fine, but as mentioned before, it has no sounds. If the keyboard has good velocity sensitivity I'm sure it'll be excellent; all those controllers are quite useful. I miss those in my M-Audio Keystation 88es.

You'd be able to trigger everything with that keyboard. I'm very partial to Addictive Drums, but there are plenty (and cheaper) things out there. If you just need kick, snare, hihat and cymbal (the Deerhoof way ;)) the free demo of Addictive Drums should sort you out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L03GHPWa ... r_embedded" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkCheK-E ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It has no maracas or tambourine, though, which for some reason I find really annoying ;).

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:32 am
by Orang Goreng
BTW, I made this with a MIDI keyboard and Addictive Drums. So far a lot of people (especially drummers) hate it, but I don't know whether that's the drumming per se or that is is because all of them are straight 4/4 disco beat people, which, in turn, I hate.

http://oranggoreng.co.nr/ogmsip.mp3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's a pretty low res recording of a not properly mixed track, but still.

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:04 am
by shadowplay
Much good advice has been given but the main thing to remember is that 99% of attempts by rockers to do dance music are utter garbage or even utter Garbage! Basically any old freesoft piece of crap can do it if you have the skills. However if you want to weld beats to your music get a real feel for it or you'll be heading down Killers avenue; a very undesirable neighbourhood. If you don't like or listen to dance or electronic music I'd give it a wide berth because it's nowhere near as easy as folk think and DJ's can smell it, I certainly can. It's like Helvetica, is hard to be that simple.

D

PS Zai am I one of the Disko Peeple? :D

edit to add an example of taking a rock song and successfully dancing it up.

DFA 1979 Black History Month

And a brilliant remix which is a guaranteed floorfiller

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:20 am
by Orang Goreng
shadowplay wrote:
PS Zai am I one of the Disko Peeple? :D
You'd think, but no. I can't remember you commenting on those drums.

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:40 am
by Pepe Silvia
Orang Goreng wrote:BTW, I made this with a MIDI keyboard and Addictive Drums. So far a lot of people (especially drummers) hate it, but I don't know whether that's the drumming per se or that is is because all of them are straight 4/4 disco beat people, which, in turn, I hate.

http://oranggoreng.co.nr/ogmsip.mp3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's a pretty low res recording of a not properly mixed track, but still.
I like it.

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:33 pm
by Black Dalek
i was looking for a drum machine a while back and i found the cheapest (meaning free) option to be a hacked version of ableton live with all the plugins. it has a bunch of kits that are copies of old roland/boss drum machines plus a few other simulated kits and loads of drum samples. i want a roland spd 20 but free vs 400 plus dollars pushed it on the back burner.

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:17 pm
by prospect
eurotrashed wrote:Ok. I guess it comes down to this.

I want s synth that can do the following:

piano, a nice triangle sound, a good digital drum sound and a nice real drum sound. And for around $500

My vote is Logic Studio + an Akai MPK49 or MPK25

http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.akaipro.com/mpk49" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can do all you desire + a ton more.

Re: Versatile, economical, midi drums/ drum machine

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:18 pm
by Black Dalek
prospect wrote:
eurotrashed wrote:Ok. I guess it comes down to this.

I want s synth that can do the following:

piano, a nice triangle sound, a good digital drum sound and a nice real drum sound. And for around $500

My vote is Logic Studio + an Akai MPK49 or MPK25

http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.akaipro.com/mpk49" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can do all you desire + a ton more.
+1

i dont have a mac but if i did i would be more inclined to use logic over ableton.