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Drum Mutes?

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:06 am

We bought our daughter a 6-piece drum set for Xmas (possibly for the next 12 Xmas', haha) and I was wondering how the drum face mutes are since we live in an apartment. The building is like a townhouse, so no one above or below, just on both sides. But as someone who doesn't play drums, I don't know that it would be worth it or not...

This is the mute set I'm looking at (her exact sizes):
Vic Firth Mute Set

I'm sure they will feel different than open drum heads, but would it be so different as to be detrimental to a new drummer?
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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by marqueemoon » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:51 am

Why not get mesh heads?

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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by mbene085 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:14 pm

marqueemoon wrote:
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Why not get mesh heads?
This is my thought.

Check out this comparison of a regular kit and the same kit with mesh heads and low volume cymbals.

It's incredible the options drummers have for quiet practice these days. Between mesh heads, LV cymbals and e kits, drummers can actually practice without neighbours and family members resenting them.

Everything that isn't a regular drum head will feel slightly different, but not in a way that's detrimental to learning. Certainly, mesh heads on a real kit and LV cymbals feel much more normal than any of the reasonably-priced electric kits, which use rubber or plastic cymbals and rubber or tiny mesh heads, none of which play in any way resembling actual drums.

PS your daughter is super lucky to have such an awesome dad. It takes a special kind of parent to encourage drumming :D

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Post by marqueemoon » Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:33 pm

I agree. Mesh heads + low volume cymbals.

That’s a lot more money of course, but much more satisfying to play and will make for better learning.

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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:23 pm

I appreciate the responses guys!! I like the idea of mesh heads eventually, but we bought her a complete 6-piece set (bass, snare, 2 mounted toms, 2 floor toms; hi-hats, crash, and ride cymbals), and it came with slightly upgraded Remo heads. After spending $900 on the set, I'm definitely not spending the extra for mesh heads right now.

I thought the rubber would be a nice compromise in the mean time, but I know very little about them except that Vic Firth makes decent stuff.
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PS your daughter is super lucky to have such an awesome dad. It takes a special kind of parent to encourage drumming :D
Thanks man :) She's a great kid, and the closest I'll ever get to having kids of my own. I love the idea of her playing something that inspires her. We will have a house in a couple years, so I'm not worried about loud. Plus! I'll have access to a drummer 8) ;)
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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by ElephantDNA » Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:59 pm

I mean the cheap version is to just use towels on the drums (can be secured with large "trash can" rubber bands) and there are a variety of cheap ways to deaden cymbals as well from just actual stuff you can get in the music store to other things like using a piece of felt. I think you can deaden the kit for less than $20 this way. I agree with the above that it would be better, but you can definitely do some things on a budget that will be effective and not too detrimental to playing.

The bass drum poses the biggest challenge for sure but again you can use similar stuff (just larger size) and also affix something to the beater so that it doesn't make as much noise.

Personally, for a beginner I would start with just a floor tom or maybe one rack tom and 1-2 cymbals anyways. I don't think a huge kit is great to start out on at the beginning.

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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:55 am

ElephantDNA wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:59 pm
I mean the cheap version is to just use towels on the drums (can be secured with large "trash can" rubber bands) and there are a variety of cheap ways to deaden cymbals as well from just actual stuff you can get in the music store to other things like using a piece of felt. I think you can deaden the kit for less than $20 this way. I agree with the above that it would be better, but you can definitely do some things on a budget that will be effective and not too detrimental to playing.

The bass drum poses the biggest challenge for sure but again you can use similar stuff (just larger size) and also affix something to the beater so that it doesn't make as much noise.

Personally, for a beginner I would start with just a floor tom or maybe one rack tom and 1-2 cymbals anyways. I don't think a huge kit is great to start out on at the beginning.
Towel/blanket inside the bass drum is something my friend who's been playing drums for over 20 years does. That might happen. But I'd like the option for the rest of the drums. It's not necessarily that I'm on a budget, I just don't want to buy any new heads for it for a while. Plus, she's 13: she's not gonna be changing out the heads every time she gets a chance to play louder; that'll end up on me. That's the beauty of the rubber mute pads: she can take them off herself with no help and a very small chance of damaging anything.

A 6-piece kit isn't huge. It isn't tiny, but that's what we bought her. If she chooses to only use a few, that's her choice, but I wanted her to have a kit that she could grow with to start with.
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Post by Plumerai » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:49 am

If she's never played before she might be good with those, but for me the sticks bouncing on rubber was a bit much. I have some Young Gods slipmats I found in the promo bin of a record shop. Thinner & made of fabric (felt?) that seems to work. Less rebound & muffles the drums.

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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by ElephantDNA » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:18 am

Plumerai wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:49 am
If she's never played before she might be good with those, but for me the sticks bouncing on rubber was a bit much. I have some Young Gods slipmats I found in the promo bin of a record shop. Thinner & made of fabric (felt?) that seems to work. Less rebound & muffles the drums.
Yeah the rubber has some issues for a beginner because the feel is pretty different. I think a lot of experienced drummers prefer the towel method over the store bought stuff too - it's cheaper and doesn't affect feel that much.

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Post by s_mcsleazy » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:25 pm

the cheap foam mutes are pretty ok but dont drop the volume by a lot. maybe like 15-20%. the big downside is the snare wire mutes you get in the packs often sound pretty....... shit. also invest in a set of the hotrod drumstick. they also help drop the volume. i will give this tip, if your daughter likes drums and takes to it. maybe book her some time in a practice space every week where she doesn't have to worry about being too loud. i can't speak for where you live but it's £10 for 3 hours if you're practicing by yourself here. so not a great deal of money. plus if she gets good, you can jam with her from time to time and help her get used to the idea of playing with other musicians.

p.s. cymbals are quite hard to mute too.
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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:18 am

ElephantDNA wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:18 am
Plumerai wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:49 am
If she's never played before she might be good with those, but for me the sticks bouncing on rubber was a bit much. I have some Young Gods slipmats I found in the promo bin of a record shop. Thinner & made of fabric (felt?) that seems to work. Less rebound & muffles the drums.
Yeah the rubber has some issues for a beginner because the feel is pretty different. I think a lot of experienced drummers prefer the towel method over the store bought stuff too - it's cheaper and doesn't affect feel that much.
This is great help guys! As someone with no rhythm behind a drum set, I'd have no way of knowing about how it would feel, and that's the most helpful. My fiancée can sew, so we could maybe make something for her if she wants/needs it.

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Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:25 pm
the cheap foam mutes are pretty ok but dont drop the volume by a lot. maybe like 15-20%. the big downside is the snare wire mutes you get in the packs often sound pretty....... shit. also invest in a set of the hotrod drumstick. they also help drop the volume. i will give this tip, if your daughter likes drums and takes to it. maybe book her some time in a practice space every week where she doesn't have to worry about being too loud. i can't speak for where you live but it's £10 for 3 hours if you're practicing by yourself here. so not a great deal of money. plus if she gets good, you can jam with her from time to time and help her get used to the idea of playing with other musicians.

p.s. cymbals are quite hard to mute too.
Good to know! The volume drop would be the more important thing there (in combination with the feel of it, as stated above). My fiancée and I certainly don't mind the sound as we are both very musical. I'm more worried about the neighbors, but in a year or two, we will likely be looking for a house, so it should be less of a problem at that point. I love the idea of a proper practice space. If she takes to it and we did that, it would be cool to make a practice space that we could both use, where we could store her drum set and some guitar stuff too. I am definitely planning on jamming with her a lot :)

Hotrod drumsticks sound great! Is that the brand, or a model?
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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by s_mcsleazy » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:54 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:18 am


s_mcsleazy wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:25 pm
the cheap foam mutes are pretty ok but dont drop the volume by a lot. maybe like 15-20%. the big downside is the snare wire mutes you get in the packs often sound pretty....... shit. also invest in a set of the hotrod drumstick. they also help drop the volume. i will give this tip, if your daughter likes drums and takes to it. maybe book her some time in a practice space every week where she doesn't have to worry about being too loud. i can't speak for where you live but it's £10 for 3 hours if you're practicing by yourself here. so not a great deal of money. plus if she gets good, you can jam with her from time to time and help her get used to the idea of playing with other musicians.

p.s. cymbals are quite hard to mute too.
Good to know! The volume drop would be the more important thing there (in combination with the feel of it, as stated above). My fiancée and I certainly don't mind the sound as we are both very musical. I'm more worried about the neighbors, but in a year or two, we will likely be looking for a house, so it should be less of a problem at that point. I love the idea of a proper practice space. If she takes to it and we did that, it would be cool to make a practice space that we could both use, where we could store her drum set and some guitar stuff too. I am definitely planning on jamming with her a lot :)

Hotrod drumsticks sound great! Is that the brand, or a model?
it's a model. they're made by promark but other companies make something similar. they're basically a bunch of plastic dowels wrapped together, this dissipates a lot of the initial hit of the stick. last time i had to play drums for anything, i had to use those sticks because normally i use marching sticks which can be really heavy and loud in certain situations.

sometimes i kinda envy the typical american detached home with a basement you see on tv.
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Re: Drum Mutes?

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:26 am

s_mcsleazy wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:54 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:18 am
s_mcsleazy wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:25 pm
the cheap foam mutes are pretty ok but dont drop the volume by a lot. maybe like 15-20%. the big downside is the snare wire mutes you get in the packs often sound pretty....... shit. also invest in a set of the hotrod drumstick. they also help drop the volume. i will give this tip, if your daughter likes drums and takes to it. maybe book her some time in a practice space every week where she doesn't have to worry about being too loud. i can't speak for where you live but it's £10 for 3 hours if you're practicing by yourself here. so not a great deal of money. plus if she gets good, you can jam with her from time to time and help her get used to the idea of playing with other musicians.

p.s. cymbals are quite hard to mute too.
Good to know! The volume drop would be the more important thing there (in combination with the feel of it, as stated above). My fiancée and I certainly don't mind the sound as we are both very musical. I'm more worried about the neighbors, but in a year or two, we will likely be looking for a house, so it should be less of a problem at that point. I love the idea of a proper practice space. If she takes to it and we did that, it would be cool to make a practice space that we could both use, where we could store her drum set and some guitar stuff too. I am definitely planning on jamming with her a lot :)

Hotrod drumsticks sound great! Is that the brand, or a model?
it's a model. they're made by promark but other companies make something similar. they're basically a bunch of plastic dowels wrapped together, this dissipates a lot of the initial hit of the stick. last time i had to play drums for anything, i had to use those sticks because normally i use marching sticks which can be really heavy and loud in certain situations.

sometimes i kinda envy the typical american detached home with a basement you see on tv.
I looked them up and I think I'll grab her a pair of them! I'm between the Hot Rods (2nd smallest) and the Cool Rods (smallest rods). Ever compare the Cool Rods to the Hot Rods?

Yeah, I don't think I could live in a house without a full basement. I think I would hate having neighbors that close too. I mean, I do that with apartments, but not when I own the place, you know?
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