NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

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NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by alvinstraight » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:44 am

Supposedly really old refin. L-plate. Neck date Aug 65. Light at slightly below 8 lbs. Original pickups and pots but changed wiring. Mustang bridge. Guitar has lived a life, including duct tape strap locks... Refin is strange in that the front and sides have gone nicotine yellow, but the back is still white. Bridge pickup pretty microphonic, but guitar still sounds and plays lovely.



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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by PJazzmaster » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:18 am

very nice. It has the right wear, even if it is a refinish! :-*

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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by alvinstraight » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:29 pm

Few more pics of this one. Sounds really amazing through an old Roland Jazz Chorus that I just got.

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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by zhivago » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:34 pm

Really lovely looking Jag! Congrats! 8)
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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by SWFC68 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:59 am

That's pretty. I love it.

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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by Surfysonic » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:33 pm

Outstanding Jag! Congrats! 8)
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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by supersonicjazzmaster » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:57 am

Ah, meganice Jaguar!!! Congrats!
Love the color and colorfading.
It´s a players guitar. In my opinion, the more wear the better the guitar, because it´s played a lot, because it sounds good.

I also have a 1965 Jag. The pickups on mine have staggered pole pieces.
I would love to hear yours through my 1961 Showman.
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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by Unicorn Warrior » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:05 pm

Love it baby

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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by Normdigsit » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:58 pm

Damn nice looking. And you’re not too bad with the camera...

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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by alvinstraight » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:07 am

Thanks for all the nice comments!

Took it a local luthier today to get a quota on how much it would cost to get it sorted, and got some potentially positive news. His take on it was that the finish is actually original, and that the back had just been sanded down for some reason. If I decide to go for the full makeover, I guess we'll look for more signs pointing one way or another. But when compared with another blonde Pre-CBS Jag that he happened to have in the shop, the finish yellowing, checking etc. looked more or less exactly the same. He also thought the body looked like ash, which I guess was only available with the blonde finish?

Any experts/blonde Jag/JM owners that can chime in/know more about this? How I might I most easily be able to tell the originality of the finish? The pots are original, but the wiring has clearly been redone at some point.

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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by Veitchy » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:25 pm

That's gorgeous - it's clearly lived a life.

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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by Mondaysoutar » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:40 pm

alvinstraight wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:07 am
Thanks for all the nice comments!

Took it a local luthier today to get a quota on how much it would cost to get it sorted, and got some potentially positive news. His take on it was that the finish is actually original, and that the back had just been sanded down for some reason. If I decide to go for the full makeover, I guess we'll look for more signs pointing one way or another. But when compared with another blonde Pre-CBS Jag that he happened to have in the shop, the finish yellowing, checking etc. looked more or less exactly the same. He also thought the body looked like ash, which I guess was only available with the blonde finish?

Any experts/blonde Jag/JM owners that can chime in/know more about this? How I might I most easily be able to tell the originality of the finish? The pots are original, but the wiring has clearly been redone at some point.

Great looking Jag man. If you take the guard off, you might find some remnants of the original finish if it’s a refin. The neck pocket also could have some indicators of an original colour. If I was you, I’d get the bridge pickup sorted, give it a good clean and it’s sorted.

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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by andy_tchp » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:57 pm

alvinstraight wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:07 am
Took it a local luthier today to get a quota on how much it would cost to get it sorted, and got some potentially positive news. His take on it was that the finish is actually original, and that the back had just been sanded down for some reason. If I decide to go for the full makeover, I guess we'll look for more signs pointing one way or another. But when compared with another blonde Pre-CBS Jag that he happened to have in the shop, the finish yellowing, checking etc. looked more or less exactly the same. He also thought the body looked like ash, which I guess was only available with the blonde finish?

Any experts/blonde Jag/JM owners that can chime in/know more about this? How I might I most easily be able to tell the originality of the finish? The pots are original, but the wiring has clearly been redone at some point.
I won't claim to be an 'expert' but it certainly looks like it could be original, they (blonde finishes) do seem to take on that colour. Put it this way: if it'd been presented as an original finish I wouldn't have doubted it.

The disparity between back/front could be something as simple as the guitar being left on a bed routinely when not in use, in a room that got a lot of direct sunlight.

Removing the neck/pickguard will provide more insight.
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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by HNB » Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:07 pm

Beautiful!
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Re: NGD: Blonde player grade 1965 Jaguar

Post by alvinstraight » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:59 am

Here are a couple of shoots from when I had the pickguard off a few months ago. As you can tell, the electronics have been messed with (but the pots are period correct).

Also rereading the conversation with the guy who owned the guitar previous to the dealer I bought it from suggest that he indeed tried to sand off the back looking for an original finish. He had bought it back in the early 00s as a 70s refinish. I guess this sanding story would explain the lack of yellowing since it is the top coat that is responsible for this color shift if I have understood things correctly?

Anyway, if anyone has ideas based on these photos if it looks like an original paint job or not, please chime in! Otherwise, I'll pop the neck off and check there.

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