Even the experts can be wrong...

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Even the experts can be wrong...

Post by fullerplast » Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:50 pm

... when it comes to Jazzmasters!

Here's an excerpt from the VGI website, long considered to be the authority on vintage guitars:
This pictures shows the two roll off mini-pots and switch from the bottom side of the pickguard. These roll off pots allow the player to "pre set" a tone, then turn the tone controls completely off or on with the toggle switch (one tone roll off pot for each pickup).


(This is from his "Inside a '58 Jazzmaster" article)

I'm not picking on the VGI guy, he truly  is a wealth of information, and his site has inspired so many Fenderholics. And I applaud him for even having a Jazzmaster article on his site (the pics are great). But he obviously did not play that Jazzmaster he did the article on. If so, he would have been hooked... the article would be correct, and the JM would no doubt be rated higher than an C- on his scale!

Just goes to show that the JM still has not completely "grown up" in the world of enthusiasts and collecting... which is both good and bad for us. Had he played the Jazzmaster... we would all be paying even more for them then we currently are! 
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Post by zhivago » Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:51 pm

I have always wondered why he didn't write much about the neck of that '59  ???
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Post by JazzBlaster » Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:00 pm

I am glad they have not "gown up" they have already grown out of my price range  :?
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Post by flatfiver » Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:57 pm

A lot of the info on the VGI site seems to be directly lifted from the George Gruhn vintage guitars book.  Maybe he was the guy that co-wrote it with Gruhn?
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Post by fullerplast » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:52 am

I've heard that before, but I've never looked at the Gruhn book. I think Jim Shine helped the VGI guy out too, alot of the pictures are Jim's anyway.

As expected, the VGI guy's focus is mainly on Strats and LPs.
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Post by serial » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:09 pm

There are a lot of misinformed "experts" out there.  I can safely and confidently say that I know more about the history Hamer Guitars than anyone outside of the factory (including Tom Wheeler, who helped out on the Hamer DVD).  Most of what's been published about them is based on bad recollection or myth.  The same is true for the Fender stuff.  It takes a LOT of work to get information close to 100%.  Of course, there's little or no excuse for not picking up the guitar to see what it actually does!
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Post by lalalandstudios » Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:02 am

flatfiver wrote: A lot of the info on the VGI site seems to be directly lifted from the George Gruhn vintage guitars book.  Maybe he was the guy that co-wrote it with Gruhn?
Certainly George has gotten it "wrong" once or twice before too - a la the appraisal of the "original finish" 62 black Jazzmaster that he looked over that turned out to be a later factory refin - and is now correctly listed on his site (with changed wires) for a paltry $7.5K. But then again, nobody is perfect.
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Post by Maggieo » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:59 am

Linkage, please?
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Post by fullerplast » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:15 pm

To which, Maggie?
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Post by Maggieo » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:31 pm

The site that y'all are talking about, the VGN?
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Post by fullerplast » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:04 pm

Oh, here ya go...

http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fender.html

He does other brands too, go to the homepage for the others...
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Post by Maggieo » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:18 pm

Thanks, Doug! You're a sweetie!
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Post by fullerplast » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:45 pm

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Post by Maggieo » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:24 pm

Man, he doesn't like the offsets, tho':
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Sheesh!  Too bad you have bad taste, mister expert guy!
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Re: Even the experts can be wrong...

Post by i love sharin foo » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:51 pm

Maggieo wrote:
Sheesh!  Too bad you have bad taste, mister expert guy!
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