J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by Embenny » Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:33 am

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Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:28 am
All that to say, the old "Fenders made by mexicans in CA vs made by mexicans in Mexico" joke doesn't really hold. It's not about who makes it, but the processes through which it is made.
You misunderstood the point of the joke. Their pickups are machine-wound. The process isn't different between the two factories, nor are the people.
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It's not cheaper because they are less skilled or they spend less time on things, it's cheaper because they don't need to pay as high wages. That's it.
Exactly. Lower wages due to lower minimum wages and different labour laws. That's the only inherent difference, other than the ones Fender chooses to spec into the guitars or parts made in one factory vs the other.
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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by nashmaster » Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:46 am

mbene085 wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:33 am
nashmaster wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:28 am
All that to say, the old "Fenders made by mexicans in CA vs made by mexicans in Mexico" joke doesn't really hold. It's not about who makes it, but the processes through which it is made.
You misunderstood the point of the joke. Their pickups are machine-wound. The process isn't different between the two factories, nor are the people.
johnnysomersett wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:19 am
It's not cheaper because they are less skilled or they spend less time on things, it's cheaper because they don't need to pay as high wages. That's it.
Exactly. Lower wages due to lower minimum wages and different labour laws. That's the only inherent difference, other than the ones Fender chooses to spec into the guitars or parts made in one factory vs the other.
Those are definitely factors, but I don't think it's really debatable as to whether or not they spend more time on fretwork and general QC in Corona. Man hours definitely play a role in pricing....

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by Embenny » Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:14 pm

nashmaster wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:46 am
Those are definitely factors, but I don't think it's really debatable as to whether or not they spend more time on fretwork and general QC in Corona. Man hours definitely play a role in pricing....
Right, like I said, the only differences are what Fender chooses to spec into the guitars. The amount of time spent on fretwork and the tightness of QC are all part of Fender's specs. There's absolutely no reason the Ensenada factory couldn't be producing guitars with identical specs to any Corona-made guitar. They have the same tools and the same training. It's a very intentional choice at the management level, to help separate the guitars into price tiers and set consumer expectations differently for the two factories.

That's why you can find MIM-priced Gibsons with sharper frets and duller finishes. In that case they're made in the same factory by the same people getting paid the same wages as the Les Paul Standards and 335s, but are specced to have fewer worker hours put into each guitar. Fender just does that, with further savings on the cost of labour due to weaker worker protection laws in one country vs the other.

In the case of machine-wound pickups, it makes absolutely no difference whether someone loads A2 rods and 42 AWG formvar-coated wire onto a winder in Ensenada or Corona. It's the same parts, made via the same process, by equally-trained people.
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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by sal paradise » Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:27 pm

Are they fair trade rods, though?

I’m only buying my magnets from sustainable sources these days.
I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion?

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by nashmaster » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:09 pm

Ah I see what you mean. Agreed on all points.
mbene085 wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:14 pm
nashmaster wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:46 am
Those are definitely factors, but I don't think it's really debatable as to whether or not they spend more time on fretwork and general QC in Corona. Man hours definitely play a role in pricing....
Right, like I said, the only differences are what Fender chooses to spec into the guitars. The amount of time spent on fretwork and the tightness of QC are all part of Fender's specs. There's absolutely no reason the Ensenada factory couldn't be producing guitars with identical specs to any Corona-made guitar. They have the same tools and the same training. It's a very intentional choice at the management level, to help separate the guitars into price tiers and set consumer expectations differently for the two factories.

That's why you can find MIM-priced Gibsons with sharper frets and duller finishes. In that case they're made in the same factory by the same people getting paid the same wages as the Les Paul Standards and 335s, but are specced to have fewer worker hours put into each guitar. Fender just does that, with further savings on the cost of labour due to weaker worker protection laws in one country vs the other.

In the case of machine-wound pickups, it makes absolutely no difference whether someone loads A2 rods and 42 AWG formvar-coated wire onto a winder in Ensenada or Corona. It's the same parts, made via the same process, by equally-trained people.

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by marginwalker » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:17 pm

Just ordered a set from Coast Sonic on reverb for $120 plus tax since they’re accepting offers which is pretty rad

Gonna get them installed on my AV65 and maybe do a pickguard change as well

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by JSett » Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:31 pm

nashmaster wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:46 am
Those are definitely factors, but I don't think it's really debatable as to whether or not they spend more time on fretwork and general QC in Corona. Man hours definitely play a role in pricing....
It definitely debatable if Fender Corona spend almost any time on QC at the moment, considering the issues with their current output.
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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by Chippertheripper » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:55 pm

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by sugarandopium » Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:50 am

johnnysomersett wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:31 pm
nashmaster wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:46 am
Those are definitely factors, but I don't think it's really debatable as to whether or not they spend more time on fretwork and general QC in Corona. Man hours definitely play a role in pricing....
It definitely debatable if Fender Corona spend almost any time on QC at the moment, considering the issues with their current output.
Exactly….

Pre Covid I’d be inclined to agree that corona may have spent more time on their work, but things are getting rough over there!!!

If you’re not spending time on a huge flagship newly released line than you’re not spending time on anything.

They’re also probably rushing stuff out to fill all the xmas orders that dealers placed.
Side note, they canceled all the thinskin orders (they were just teles and strats) because they’re so behind on everything.
Must be a madhouse there….

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by shoegaze_head » Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:21 am

As a huge J fan I'm not sure I would go for these. I remember when his signature big muff came out I really wanted to jump on that but thankfully I waited and lo and behold they were the exact same as the RI rams head but with a markup. Aside from his name theres nothing about these that would draw me to it over any other jm pickups on the market.

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by Embenny » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:33 am

sugarandopium wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:50 am
Pre Covid I’d be inclined to agree that corona may have spent more time on their work, but things are getting rough over there!!!
It was a Coronavirus, not an Ensenadavirus. We should all be mindful of that. I wish Fender's factory a speedy recovery, but it looks like it may be suffering from long COVID.
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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by marginwalker » Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:35 pm

Just got mine in the mail!

Here are some pics

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by SixStringSlinger » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:51 am

marginwalker wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:35 pm
Just got mine in the mail!

Here are some pics

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PUT 'EM IN. PUT 'EM IN.

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by sugarandopium » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:24 pm

marginwalker wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:35 pm
Just got mine in the mail!

Here are some pics

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Awesome!!!! Thank you!!!!!

Are the bobbins grey or black? Look grey, either way I’m happy.
Let us know what you think when you get them in.

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Re: J Mascis signature Jazzmaster pickups

Post by bankyVee » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:12 pm

I got mine as well. A quick heads up; the DC resistance ratings seem to be slightly off for the bridge pu. Mine measured differently than the values given on the package (granted , my voltmeter could be inaccurate)

Neck: 7.14k (marked 7.27k)
Bridge: 6.92k (marked 7.31k)

I will probably install these in my FSR JM to compare/contrast to the old CV JM (PV65s) as well as the JMJM (P90-ish).

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