Who were the first users of Jazzmasters in Europe?

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Re: Who were the first users of Jazzmasters in Europe?

Post by frippy » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:35 am

Fall reverb wrote: I would say - not very.
I could be mistaken, but I think that Fender first introduced itself properly on the European market during the Frankfurt Musik Messe in 1961, but before that trade show they never really tried very hard to gain a foothold  on the European market.
Take for example Hank Marvin's Stratocaster - this model had already been on the market in the USA since 5 years, but Cliff Richard had to order the Fender from the USA, as the brand was not available yet in the UK in 1959 (due to trade restrictions, as far as I know);
The lack of relative profit to be made in the European market during the 1950s kept Fender's presence rather low on the continent. As you note, UK trade restrictions prohibited importation of Fenders until the early 1960s. Fenders were available in Germany, nonetheless, during the late 1950s, as Lennon procured a tweed Deluxe in Germany and Harrison commented that he saw Fender guitars in a Hamburg shop. All of these may have been bought in the US by the shop owner and brought back to Germany. By the early 1960s, though, Fender, along with Rickenbacker and Gibson were exporting guitars to the continent. Until the CBS era there wasn't a concerted effort on Fender's part to maintain a sizable presence in the European market.

Interestingly, Hank Marvin wanted a Telecaster but he did not know it. All he knew was that he wanted the same guitar as James Burton whom he presumed used a Stratocaster because it was the more expensive model. So he asked Cliff Richard to order a Stratocaster and only realized afterward that he'd gotten the "wrong" guitar.
fuzzjunkie wrote: I suppose Spelter could have bought it from a GI stationed in Germany and just embellished the story?
'tis the most likely scenario  ;)
fuzzjunkie wrote: Perhaps he was East German and defected in Berlin in the late 50s - early 60s? That's the only way I see the timeline working, otherwise he'd be at least 40 in 1965. I don't know anything about him, but if he were 20 at the end of WWII, it seems like a stretch, but if he crossed the wall during the Berlin Blockade or something and was detained, that might work...
The time line still wouldn't work. The blockade was '48-'49 and nothing but food was going into West Berlin then. The Berlin Wall didn't go up until '61 by which time he had the Jazzmaster already. The story is just that: a story. Even if he had been a POW interned in the US, which would mean he was born no later than 1925 ( most Germans detained in the US, with the exception of some U-Boat crews, were captured in '43), he could not have bought a Jazzmaster until '58 regardless.

My apologies for being a bit of a history dork here but I am a historian and I've written/published on the World War II POW program. Thus, I am a history dork  ::)

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Re: Who were the first users of Jazzmasters in Europe?

Post by Fall reverb » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:52 am

Thank you very much for that very interesting, elaborate and very well-written post, sir!
Jacky Spelter was 76 when he passed away in 2003 (so he was probably born in 1927) and could thus very well have joined the Wehrmacht at the end of WWII & been taken prisoner of war, however I completely agree that his story of acquiring his Jazzmaster whilst being a prisoner of war in the USA is pure hogwash...

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Re: Who were the first users of Jazzmasters in Europe?

Post by frippy » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:53 pm

Fall reverb wrote: Thank you very much for that very interesting, elaborate and very well-written post, sir!
Jacky Spelter was 76 when he passed away in 2003 (so he was probably born in 1927) and could thus very well have joined the Wehrmacht at the end of WWII & been taken prisoner of war, however I completely agree that his story of acquiring his Jazzmaster whilst being a prisoner of war in the USA is pure hogwash...

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You're most welcome! :)

Unless Spelter spent his teens outside of Germany I imagine that he served in the Wehrmacht. I saw statistics once that showed almost every German male born before 1928 served in World War II in one capacity or another. Given Germany's military situation in 1945 and the number of 12-13 year olds captured by US/British forces, it would seem likely that most German males born up until 1931-1932 served in some capacity too.

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Re: Who were the first users of Jazzmasters in Europe?

Post by Fall reverb » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:00 am

acoustic_frippy wrote: I saw statistics once that showed almost every German male born before 1928 served in World War II in one capacity or another. Given Germany's military situation in 1945 and the number of 12-13 year olds captured by US/British forces, it would seem likely that most German males born up until 1931-1932 served in some capacity too.
Yes, although of course those German males that were born way before 1931/32 or who were disabled did not in all probability see active service during the last stage of the war...there were of course plenty of old guys who joined the 'Volkssturm' at the end of the war, however the German leaders were not that desperate to actually force males who had been born in e.g. 1870 take up a rifle (or spade) to fight against the enemy... ;)
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Re: Who were the first users of Jazzmasters in Europe?

Post by Fall reverb » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:37 pm

Jets wrote: In one of the Fender books (I think it's the sound heard 'round the world one) there is a photo from Hamburg (i think?) in 1961 where fender have a stall at a convention and on display are two jazzmasters, 1 or maybe 2 telecasters and 1 strat.
I can scan and upload if anyone is interested.
Hi Jets, the photo you're referring to can indeed be found in Richard R. Smith's "Fender - The Sound Heard 'round the World" and it was taken at the Frankfurter Musik Messe in 1961;
I think there might be quite a few people here who have never seen this photo and who would be very interested in seeing it, so it would indeed be a great idea if you could scan the photo and post it here - many thanks in advance!
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Re: Who were the first users of Jazzmasters in Europe?

Post by StevenO » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:26 pm

I'd be interested in seeing that picture.

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Re: Who were the first users of Jazzmasters in Europe?

Post by MikeMaster » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:18 am

Jets wrote: I've found the book and the photo so i'll scan it in at some point tomorrow.

I think this is perhaps the earliest so far:
http://www.curtisnovak.com/vintage/JazzBass59/
Great find, some of the research here still blows me away.
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