Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

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Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by jvin248 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:02 am

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Anyone know more about this trem? Released "today"....

"an intriguing new ‘Panorama’ Jazzmaster tremolo system, which promises Strat-style dives as well as classic Jazz wobble"

Cross-sections/internal comparison photos/what changed internally?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUObYjErG9k

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by vistavision » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:41 am

The American Professional II thread is here:
http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vie ... 6&t=117191

The Panorama Trem is talked about there.
I'm sure some Fender dealer in '64 looked at the new Duo-Sonic II and thought, "That's not a Duo-Sonic. That's a Mustang".

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by jvin248 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:56 am

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I went through eleven pages of that linked post and nothing except guessing.

Closest so far is this partial guitar dismantling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmDP9oSxhwc

trem: replaced pivot plate with a pivot pin and three blocks.

Pickups: Slightly taller but not as tall and narrow as the prior American Performer "1" JM model.

Ryan was confused on how the controls work. Push-Push is bridge coil-tap for classic JM bridge output up, higher output down. Rhythm circuit switch is move to series instead of parallel pickups.

Edit: Eventually page 13/14 of that thread added the trem updates

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by adamrobertt » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am

jvin248 wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:56 am
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I went through eleven pages of that linked post and nothing except guessing.

Closest so far is this partial guitar dismantling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmDP9oSxhwc

Bridge: replaced pivot plate with a pivot pin and three blocks.

Pickups: Slightly taller but not as tall and narrow as the prior American Performer "1" JM model.

Ryan was confused on how the controls work. Push-Push is bridge coil-tap for classic JM bridge output up, higher output down. Rhythm circuit switch is move to series instead of parallel pickups.

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That is not the bridge, that's the tailpiece.

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by Futuron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:44 am

Wow, it's almost like this thread never happened...

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by BoringPostcards » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:07 am

:mellow:
Futuron wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:44 am
Wow, it's almost like this thread never happened...
A good thing, this is. Maybe, we won't derail it this time, lol.
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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by Sauerkraut » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:27 am

I'm impressed. These seem like a genuine improvement. I don't care so much about the new screws placement. It makes more sense, but on the "old" ones, you just turned them around. The increase in pitch bending range, on the other hand, could be very useful. Plus that collet improvement to stop the bar from swinging about is welcome too. If they do sell them separately (and why wouldn't they? It's not a custom shop model) I'm getting one each for my JM and Bass VI. I expect there'll be loads of AVRI trems offered in the sale section as a result.

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by loveinathens » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:56 am

I really, really appreciate the extra range these have. Would anyone happen to know if it's a direct replacement for the existing trem units?

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by JamesSGBrown » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:44 am

Sauerkraut wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:27 am
. I expect there'll be loads of AVRI trems offered in the sale section as a result.
I bloody hope so, they're a nightmare to get hold of in the UK for less than stupid prices.

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by adamrobertt » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:04 am

I'm confused.

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by timtam » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:26 am

I guess we have to rebuild the thread, since most was lost in the site crash.
You can find the rest in google cache (before it gets purged) ...
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... t%3D117440

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by jvin248 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:46 am

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It's a clever set of mods and a big improvement over the original trem.

Because of the increased performance .. I'm suspicious the price will be bumped a lot higher than the basic components and assembly time increase may create. But if the orders for the guitars and the replacement trems are high enough Fender will make enough on the volume efficiencies to cover that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dsPTancEpk

Here is the trem chart from Ryan's video linked above. This shows how far several terms can dump the tuning.

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... How long before someone comes out with "well the toan must change because it's not a 1950s design", lol.
However, it's a rotating pin instead of a knife edge so if not maintained with lubricant there is a possibility for drag and failure to return to pitch. So field testing will be important.

If someone who has one of these guitars knows how to play EVH Eruption ... do it on this APII JM trem for a video.
Or what would be the song to prove this trem can 'do everything'? That could be fun. Replace some shredder Floyds ...

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by BoringPostcards » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:05 am

I just thought of something. Jaguars already have a slightly deeper dive range than a JM, due to its scale.
This will make a Jaguar dive even deeper.

I am excited for these.
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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by Veitchy » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:49 pm

jvin248 wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:46 am
If someone who has one of these guitars knows how to play EVH Eruption ... do it on this APII JM trem for a video.
BRB gotta go and build a red-black-white-striped JM.

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Re: Fender "Panorama" Tremolo System -- American Performer II Jazzmaster

Post by 60_Cycle_Ryan » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:10 pm

Damn, its crazy that everything got deleted, going back to the day before I joined too, lol

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