Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Discussion of newer designs, copies and reissue offset-waist instruments.
Post Reply
User avatar
CivoLee
PAT. # 2.972.923
PAT. # 2.972.923
Posts: 133
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 pm

Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Post by CivoLee » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:22 pm

By this point Fender are aware that there is a market for musicians who like how their Offset Contour Body guitars feel/play, but prefer a more mainstream sound. So they've provided a number of JMs and Jags loaded with humbuckers, latest of which is the Player models. The Player Jaguar has a hum-single setup, so it retains at least a bit of the unique Jaguar sound, but the Player Jazzmaster has dual humbuckers, making it just like any of the myriad of dual humbucking guitars on the market. What's the deal with that? Is it really too expensive to include a JM pickup in the neck? Are they afraid of limiting the market? Most players don't even use the neck pickup all that much to care. Was the Blacktop HS such a failure that they're gun-shy about putting out another model like it? Haven't they noticed how desirable the Blacktop HS JMs have become on the used market (especially the black ones, since they go for more whenever they do pop up)?

User avatar
HarlowTheFish
PAT. # 2.972.923
PAT. # 2.972.923
Posts: 806
Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:09 pm

Re: Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Post by HarlowTheFish » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:38 pm

I think it's because the Shaw-designed humbuckers across the range barely blend with each other or with regular singles, and putting a proper Jazzmaster neck pickup would make their flaws all the more apparent when it's side by side like that.

I'm only half kidding, the Shawbuckers are okay in an HSS Strat if you want it to be versatile, but they don't excel at anything and the pickups across the Player range in general are serviceable but easily the first thing to swap out.

User avatar
Embenny
PAT. # 2.972.923
PAT. # 2.972.923
Posts: 10363
Joined: Tue May 24, 2016 5:07 am

Re: Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Post by Embenny » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:48 pm

My guess is that the blacktop JMs didn't sell all that well so they decided to try that configuration on Jaguars instead.

There have been multiple HH and HS MIM Jazzmasters in recent years so they probably had data on whether another one would be a good idea or not.
The artist formerly known as mbene085.

User avatar
Veitchy
PAT. # 2.972.923
PAT. # 2.972.923
Posts: 1525
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:12 am
Location: Robe, South Australia

Re: Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Post by Veitchy » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:11 pm

Slightly off topic, but I love neck pickups - especially single coils - especially JM pickups. They're probably where I spend most of my time.

User avatar
blunderbuss
PAT. # 2.972.923
PAT. # 2.972.923
Posts: 212
Joined: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:58 pm

Re: Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Post by blunderbuss » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:23 pm

Veitchy wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:11 pm
Slightly off topic, but I love neck pickups - especially single coils - especially JM pickups. They're probably where I spend most of my time.
Neck and middle until I die. Hardly ever play bridge. 😬
Ryan

User avatar
CivoLee
PAT. # 2.972.923
PAT. # 2.972.923
Posts: 133
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 pm

Re: Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Post by CivoLee » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:54 am

mbene085 wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:48 pm
My guess is that the blacktop JMs didn't sell all that well so they decided to try that configuration on Jaguars instead.

There have been multiple HH and HS MIM Jazzmasters in recent years so they probably had data on whether another one would be a good idea or not.
Really? What else besides the Blacktops?

User avatar
Snowmonkey
PAT. # 2.972.923
PAT. # 2.972.923
Posts: 90
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:44 am

Re: Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Post by Snowmonkey » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:19 am

I have the HH Player Jazzmaster, and you can split the coils which gives you both single coil and humbucker sounds.

Having said that, while this configuration gives a wide range of sounds, I don't think the pickups themselves are up to much. I will be looking to upgrade them (when I get my head around what I want to get).

User avatar
Joey Ace
PAT. # 2.972.923
PAT. # 2.972.923
Posts: 52
Joined: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:00 am

Re: Why aren't the Player Jazzmasters HS like the Player Jaguars ?

Post by Joey Ace » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:24 am

My fav JM sound is both pups together.

Post Reply