There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by Larry Mal » Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:24 am

You know, I thought I'd be more excited about the blue, but the red looks really nice.
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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by rbrcbr » Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:29 am

johnnysomersett wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:12 pm
BOOM!

Calm down people, Johnny-boy has got you some LPB photos 8) 8) 8)
15 minutes of punching numbers into the Fender serial lookup later....

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I have seen almost all of the new line now, but this is the most important. Serials V2204600 and up is where you need to be looking
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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by muffonrat » Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:40 am

johnnysomersett wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:12 pm
BOOM!

Calm down people, Johnny-boy has got you some LPB photos 8) 8) 8)
15 minutes of punching numbers into the Fender serial lookup later....
I was about to do this but didn't have any time, been really busy lately.. guess I am not the only nerd in here 🤓.
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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by ryland » Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:02 am

I thought I didn't need another JM. I was clearly mistaken after seeing that LPB one. Heck, I even love the Dakota Red. Time to sell a kidney and maybe a few toes.

I also have a strange tingling sensation that makes me wonder if I've become tele-curious.

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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by smjenkins » Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:54 am

This is what the red one would look like if it had more sustain:

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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by superficial » Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:10 am

algeriet wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:41 am
Bruv

All jokes aside, compare the blocks on this 60th anniversary Jaguar

to this '67:

and regarding the headstock, read some of my rants a couple of pages back. 😎
Thanks for the explanation. I can just about see the difference in the binding. I guess the smaller binding could be annoying if you've got a keen eye.

I'm not sure I understand the premise that it has to be a precise replica of a single year, though. It's an 'American Vintage II' based on vintage specs - is it supposed to be a precise reissue of a certain year? I may have missed it in the description.

FWIW (very little I'd imagine), I have an irrational dislike of the bigger Fender ("70's") headstocks so I'd be very happy with these specs I think. In fact, I reckon Fender nailed it with the aesthetics. OTOH I'm also happier with the 9.5 radius of my AO, so I'm clearly not the vintage purist you are! Tomato / Tomato :)

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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by Unicorn Warrior » Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:27 am

Were neck specs posted yet?

I loved the neck on my 66 Jag so dearly. Narrow nut width that CME labeled as a C neck, but I thought it felt more like D.

The more I think about it, the more I’m entertaining it. I need another JM like a whole in the head. My next guitar was supposed to be a Jag.

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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by JSett » Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:57 am

Unicorn Warrior wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:27 am
Were neck specs posted yet?

I loved the neck on my 66 Jag so dearly. Narrow nut width that CME labeled as a C neck, but I thought it felt more like D.

The more I think about it, the more I’m entertaining it. I need another JM like a whole in the head. My next guitar was supposed to be a Jag.
Here's the spec from Fender via the serial lookup:

Product Specs

Auxiliary Switching
2-Position On/Off Slide Switch for Switching Between "Lead" and "Rhythm" Circuits

Body
Alder

Body Finish
Nitrocellulose Lacquer

Body Shape
Jazzmaster®

Bridge
Pure Vintage Jazzmaster® with Threaded Steel Barrel Saddles

Bridge Cover/Tailpiece
Pure Vintage Floating Tremolo with Tremolo Lock Button and Push-In Tremolo Arm

Bridge Pickup
Pure Vintage '66 Single-Coil Jazzmaster®

Color
Lake Placid Blue

Commodity Code
9207901000

Configuration
SS

Control Knobs
White "Witch Hat"

Controls
Lead Circuit Controls (Slide Switch Down): Master Volume, Master Tone; Rhythm Circuit Controls (Slide Switch Up): Two Thumbwheel Controls for Neck Pickup Volume and Tone

Country Of Origin
US

Dimensions
6.40x17.30x43.80 IN

Fingerboard
Bound Round-Laminated Rosewood

Fingerboard Radius
7.25" (184.1 mm)

Fret Size
Vintage Tall

Hardware Finish
Nickel/Chrome

Headstock
Jazzmaster®

Model Name
American Vintage II 1966 Jazzmaster®, Rosewood Fingerboard, Lake Placid Blue

Neck Construction
4-Bolt

Neck Finish
Gloss Nitrocellulose Lacquer

Neck Material
Maple

Neck Pickup
Pure Vintage '66 Single-Coil Jazzmaster®

Neck Shape
1966 "C"

Number of Frets
21
Nut Material

Bone

Nut Width
1.650" (42 mm)

Orientation
Right-Hand

Pickguard
3-Ply Parchment

Pickup Configuration
SS

Pickup Switching
3-Position Toggle (Lead Circuit)

Position Inlays
Pearloid Block

Refinement Neck Material
Maple

Refinement Neck Shape
C Shape

Refinement Pickups
Pure Vintage

Scale Length
25.5" (64.77 cm)

Series
American Vintage II

String Nut
Bone

Strings
Fender® USA 250R Nickel Plated Steel (.010-.046 Gauges), PN 0730250406


Truss Rods
Vintage-Style Butt Adjust

Tuning Machines
Pure Vintage Single Line "Fender Deluxe"
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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by flysky578 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:00 am

superficial wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:10 am
I'm not sure I understand the premise that it has to be a precise replica of a single year, though. It's an 'American Vintage II' based on vintage specs - is it supposed to be a precise reissue of a certain year? I may have missed it in the description.
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They are labeled as Fender American Vintage II 1966 Jazzmaster in a American Vintage line so I can understand why some are upset.

For me, I find the certain year release complete BS especially if they then tend to skip certain marks of the exact year but like what they did with the AO by going "50s/60s/70s" same as...(never thought I say that :wtf: ) Gibson. They still could called it 60's, even if they would do a another line with pre cbs specs they could call it 60's since in that decade where like 4 variants of JM alone. The masses don't care about a year period correct product, only on sound and looks, so decade releases would make more sense anyways to avoid sometimes rightly "cork sniffing" discussions and bad rep :D .

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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by gishuk » Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:32 am

The blue looks outstanding, all of them look great really.

I'm so not in the market for a new guitar but if they ever did a run in Aztec gold I might change my mind on that.

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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by Embenny » Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:55 am

flysky578 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:00 am

For me, I find the certain year release complete BS especially if they then tend to skip certain marks of the exact year but like what they did with the AO by going "50s/60s/70s" same as...(never thought I say that :wtf: ) Gibson.
Don't go applauding Gibson too hard on this one - my "70's Flying V" has virtually no features actually found at any point in the 1970s. It has a bound neck (not found in the 70's), the longer/pointier headstock (not found in the 70's), pickup rings (not found in the 70's), hot (16k) ceramic pickups (not found in the 70's), and lacks a volute (one of the few decade-specific features found on 70's Vs).

It would be like marketing a "70's Jazzmaster) with an unbound dot-neck, TOM, Mascis-style P90 pickups and pre-CBS headstock.

It's still a really nice guitar, as I'm sure these will be, but Gibson really puts less effort than Fender into reissue accuracy below the Custom Shop level stuff.
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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by Beyer160 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:35 am

flysky578 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:00 am
For me, I find the certain year release complete BS especially if they then tend to skip certain marks of the exact year but like what they did with the AO by going "50s/60s/70s" same as...(never thought I say that :wtf: ) Gibson. They still could called it 60's, even if they would do a another line with pre cbs specs they could call it 60's since in that decade where like 4 variants of JM alone. The masses don't care about a year period correct product, only on sound and looks, so decade releases would make more sense anyways to avoid sometimes rightly "cork sniffing" discussions and bad rep :D .
One word: Marketing.

I think the logic is that a specific year sounds cooler, while "'60s" just sounds generic. You can have a "'60s" MIM Vintera, but a "'66" US Reissue Jazzmaster sets it apart as something special.

And the headstock snobs will never be happy with a production guitar made in the last 50 years anyway, so Fender is aiming their stuff at the middle of the pack.

I don't know if FMIC is stalking me or what, but I've said repeatedly over the years that if they made a '66 0r '67 with blocks, binding, and matching headstock in LPB or Dakota (yes, those two specific colors), that I'd buy one. Guess it's time to put my money where my mouth is.

...and '66 pickups! I wonder how those differ from '65s and '62s?

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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by BoringPostcards » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:09 pm

The LPB looks amazing as expected, but the price is making me heave. Nearly 4K in CAD. Crazy. Maybe I can get lucky and grab one for a better price down the road. Or maybe I will just splurge. Tough choice.
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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by JSett » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:30 pm

I've been looking at these a lot, and considering my position on buying one. B&B are 100% my thing but, knowing Fender, they aren't going to do many cool colours past these. If they do, they'll probably be very limited and expensive.

I think I'm gonna buy something else and modify it to taste...I'll probably save some money anyway.
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Re: There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

Post by Embenny » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:32 pm

johnnysomersett wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:30 pm
I've been looking at these a lot, and considering my position on buying one. B&B are 100% my thing but, knowing Fender, they aren't going to do many cool colours past these. If they do, they'll probably be very limited and expensive.
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