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When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:44 am
by SirJackdeFuzz
Sounds like a stupid question, asked by a 3year-old . . .
. . . but i have a book about guitars (big book

) and in it they said that so and so guitars are offset, but they do not look like offset's to me !
Can anyone shed some light on this matter ?
Thanx

Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:52 am
by zhivago
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:53 am
by Naturality
Yhere has been a number of threads about this, try searching before you post in future. The offset waist guitar type is explained here:
index.php?topic=1556.0
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:07 am
by djetz
As far as I can tell, an offset seems to be whatever people here think an offset is.
For a reason I do not understand, the Mustang is considered an offset. The usage seems to be "any Fender guitar that isn't a strat or tele."
Personally, I think a Gibson Firebird, and especially the "non-reverse" Firebirds, are offsets. And an arguement could be made for the Gibby Explorer and possibly even the Ibanez Iceman... the Ibanez Talman is an offset in my opinion...
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:14 am
by zhivago
djetz wrote:
As far as I can tell, an offset seems to be whatever people here think an offset is.
For a reason I do not understand, the Mustang is considered an offset. The usage seems to be "any Fender guitar that isn't a strat or tele."
I think the reason is what it says on the headstock decal....

Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:26 am
by Naturality
It's usually best to use paint to draw a line on the guitar like in the previous link
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:27 am
by dinosaur
I thought that there was an actual Fender patent for the offset waist, with exact details. Isn't it the exact opposite of some arbitrary decision?
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:29 am
by Naturality
There is a patent, but I haven't seen it. It's somewhere on the web and the 'Continuously Curving' From the header of the page is from that patent
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:30 am
by djetz
zhivago wrote:
I think the reason is what it says on the headstock decal....
Holy crap, you're right. It's been quite a while since I've handled a Mustang.
Though I still think it's only
slightly offset, in terms of waist angle. But it
does have an offset waist, you're quite right. I was thinking of Duo-Sonics and Musicmasters etc, which (I'm almost certain) are
not offset.
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:34 am
by Naturality
The 50's Duos and Musicmasters weren't Offset, but were then changed with the release of the Mustang
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:59 am
by Soiouz
The "Offset waist design" is definitely patented and is definitely not just "whatever people here think an offset is"...
...and as discussed here many times, the Mustang is as much an offset as JMs and Jags:

Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:09 am
by fullerplast
The patent courtesy of mjet260:
http://www.hadton.com/fdp/patents/Jaguar.pdf
There's alot of cool info in there!

Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:59 pm
by theswingincreeper
According to the description, the Jazz Bass is definitely offset too, although it hardly ever gets mentioned. I've read somewhere it was invented to complement the Jazzmaster but eventually became far more successful.
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:09 pm
by StevenO
Yep, a jazz bass is most certainly an offset.
Re: When is a guitar an "Offset"-guitar ?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:25 pm
by Maggieo
theswingincreeper wrote:
According to the description, the Jazz Bass is definitely offset too, although it hardly ever gets mentioned. I've read somewhere it was invented to complement the Jazzmaster but eventually became far more successful.
And compliment the Jazzmaster it does!
