Jazzmaster, Thin Skin, and your opinions

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Jazzmaster, Thin Skin, and your opinions

Post by notbillcosby » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:14 am

Hey!
So the other day I went to Chicago to see an Albert Hammond Jr. concert (for those of you who dislike the Strokes or Albert Hammond, I'd like to point out that his lead guitar player uses Jazzmasters  ;) ) and beforehand hit up the Chicago Music Exchange for the first time ever. WOW! What an amazing place! I counted 20 Jazzmasters... 4 were new, 16 were old. I spent about 2 hours comparing them, as I've been seriously seriously considering getting a JM but never had the chance to play anything but a CIJ model. I compared a really crusty old '62 to a 62RI, a 65 to the same 62RI, the 62RI to a custom shop 62RI they had in Sonic Blue with a tort guard (drooly), and then played a whole bunch of others unplugged. The verdict?

Strangely... I think i almost like the new ones better. The pickups on the vintage guitars definitely seemed a lot more smooth and even; the AVRI pickups had extremely spikey treble response that seriously hurt my ears... until i rolled the tone knob back to about 5 and then it sounded fine. My Mustang has the same issue... so i treat the tone knob as if it had a treble boost as well as a cut and just let it chill out around 5 most of the time. The necks on the vintage JMs definitely felt different. I love the worn in feel, but they were a bit chunkier and felt less like a Strat than the new ones do. And damnit, I like strats! As I was A/B comparing new and old guitars, they both felt very nice... but as I was playing, I noticed that the AVRI stayed in my hands a lot longer. Whenever I'd get lost in what I was playing and suddenly remember that i was there to check out a guitar and not just jam, I'd look down and be surprised to see the brand new guitar in my hands.

So, that's a good thing! It'll save me some money, if I can get past the fact that i just don't like the color options on the AVRI's that much. I did compare the sunburst avri that i played most of the time with that custom shop Sonic Blue one... The Sonic Blue was nice, had the worn in neck feel (it was a Relic) and was definitely a beautiful color, but was it worth twice as much? Nope. So once again- Pretty sure i'd be happy with an AVRI if I can find a color I'd like.

Here's the thing. I've been waiting and waiting for the Thin Skins to show up at Dave's. I would really like to have a Sonic Blue JM, I think, and it sounds like that'd be a really nice one. Normally, it'd only be $100 more so I'd hold out and just get one of those. Thing is, I work at a guitar store, and I can get an AVRI from Fender for around $900, which makes a thin skin (GULP!) $700 more. For those of you who've played the Thin Skin Jags... does the nicer finish make THAT big of a difference? I have no intention of paying $700 more for a different color of guitar, but if the thin finish actualy makes the guitar resonate more and sound better, I'd consider it. If it does make a huge difference, I could always get a cheap AVRI and get some Antiquity II pickups at a discount and probably wind up with a comparatively good-sounding guitar. That custom shop one I played in Chicago certainly didn't sound any different, and I'm guessing the finish on that one is gonna be pretty similar to said Thin Skins.

What do I do?? I'm torn, someone make up my mind for me. Also, figure out what finish I like on the AVRI's :) The sunburst needs the bright yellow that the old ones have at the center, aggh! I think i'd be happy with a sunburst if I got a gold pickguard on it so it looks like a 50s JM. White looks too classy, black is too dark (i mean, it's a surf guitar.), surf green with a white pick guard looks too much like an easter egg to me- maybe if there was a tort guard on it? I don't want a metallic finish, and I don't like red guitars. Sonic Blue sure is pretty though....

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Post by luau » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:20 am

You could get an AVRI at your store and have it refinished. It's probably the cheapest route to Sonic Blue for you.
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Post by notbillcosby » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:23 am

How much does a refin run? I'm sure it all depends on who you have do it. I could do it myself with some Guitar ReRanch paints, but then again... Do i want to risk screwing up my brand new guitar? Eesh..

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Post by luau » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:31 am

Good question. I'm sure somebody will chime in. I do know it should be considerably less than $700. If you would be happy with a non-matching headstock, that would reduce the price/complexity a good bit.

I've wanted a Sonic Blue JM for a long time so I can sympathize. I ended up with an IBM AVRI instead that I'm thrilled with. I get more thrilled with the color the longer I have it. It is metallic though so it doesn't quite fit your bill.
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Post by spaceghost » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:48 am

luau wrote: You could get an AVRI at your store and have it refinished. It's probably the cheapest route to Sonic Blue for you.
+1

that's what i would do. the major differences between the AVRI and the thin-skins are: thinner nitro finish (not worth $700) bigger, modern fret sizes (probably not that different) painted headstock (GAS worthy all by itself) and a flatter 9.5 radius (supposedly more 'modern' and 'playable' you might like it being a strat guy)

i plan to wait a few years and see if people sell them. IMO i would save a couple hundred extra and get a Custom Shop Jag/JM or something. if you can get an AVRI for $900 do that. then decide if you want a refin. I bought a black 62RI Jaguar and was sure i would refin the headstock to make it look more '64. I haven't touched it and its the best guitar i've ever played. Good luck!!

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Post by notbillcosby » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:07 pm

I think I'm leaning toward getting a $900 AVRI in sunburst, and putting a gold guard on it. Then I'd feel like I had a good looking 50s JM instead of a 60s JM with a boring sunburst  ;) If I DID get it refinished in Sonic Blue, then the pick guards I had would already be the colors I'd want on it... And i'm honestly not that into the matching headstock thing, so it'd probably be a win/win situation.

See, to me, a traditional Fender headstock is wood-colored... Painted looks too classy, too Gibsony for a Fender. I had a similar discussion with someone at work today about flametops on Strats. Save it for the Les Pauls! Buuuut... maybe that's just me. Not trying to say Fenders aren't classy or something! It's just, they're supposed to be the working-musician's guitar, right? :)

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Post by spacecadet » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:58 pm

notbillcosby wrote: See, to me, a traditional Fender headstock is wood-colored... Painted looks too classy, too Gibsony for a Fender. I had a similar discussion with someone at work today about flametops on Strats. Save it for the Les Pauls!
I feel that way about MOP blocks on the fretboard - Fender guitars to me always had dots.  But I love painted headstocks.  So, I'm sure we all have these little things that cross the lines from "not enough" to "just right" to "too much", and it's different for everybody.

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spacecadet wrote:
notbillcosby wrote: See, to me, a traditional Fender headstock is wood-colored... Painted looks too classy, too Gibsony for a Fender. I had a similar discussion with someone at work today about flametops on Strats. Save it for the Les Pauls!
I feel that way about MOP blocks on the fretboard - Fender guitars to me always had dots.  But I love painted headstocks.  So, I'm sure we all have these little things that cross the lines from "not enough" to "just right" to "too much", and it's different for everybody.
But, on the other hand, the Jazzmaster and Jag were supposed to be the classy upscale Fenders...Top of the line, you know? 8)


BTW, Notbillcosby, :D  if you find a source for a gold guard that fits an AVRI/Vintage JM, you'd better share it! ;) 
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Post by notbillcosby » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:24 pm

RumorsOFsurF wrote: BTW, Notbillcosby, :D  if you find a source for a gold guard that fits an AVRI/Vintage JM, you'd better share it! ;) 
Really? Is it that big of a pain?

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Post by glimmertwin » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:28 am

Chicago Music Exhange is a great gear store.  It has a strong selection and they actually let you play the guitars as opposed to some similarly equiped shops in places like New York that prefer to keep everything behind glass under lock & key and screen you before allowing you to play.  The CME guys seem to be much more accomodating in that respect.  I read once that Jeff Tweedy buys and sells through them a lot too so you never know when your playing one of Jeff's old guitars...
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Post by luau » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:50 am

notbillcosby wrote:
RumorsOFsurF wrote: BTW, Notbillcosby, :D  if you find a source for a gold guard that fits an AVRI/Vintage JM, you'd better share it! ;) 
Really? Is it that big of a pain?
Yeah. It is unfortunately.

A few of us are trying to get some made but it's a PITA. I've got a shop tracked down in Kentucky that should be able to do the job from soup to nuts but I haven't contacted them yet. My work has been insane* so time during business hours is at a premium for me right now. I hope to start talking to them this week as I should clear a massive stack of stuff off my desk today.

* I work for an auto insurance company in FL and the PIP law that is scheduled to sunset 10/01 has us all scrambling.

edit: Here is the shop for those interested.
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Post by MikeMaster » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:06 am

notbillcosby wrote: I think I'm leaning toward getting a $900 AVRI in sunburst, and putting a gold guard on it. Then I'd feel like I had a good looking 50s JM instead of a 60s JM with a boring sunburst  ;) If I DID get it refinished in Sonic Blue, then the pick guards I had would already be the colors I'd want on it... And i'm honestly not that into the matching headstock thing, so it'd probably be a win/win situation.

See, to me, a traditional Fender headstock is wood-colored... Painted looks too classy, too Gibsony for a Fender. I had a similar discussion with someone at work today about flametops on Strats. Save it for the Les Pauls! Buuuut... maybe that's just me. Not trying to say Fenders aren't classy or something! It's just, they're supposed to be the working-musician's guitar, right? :)
Well it is hard to feel sorry for someone that can get an AVRI for $900.  IMO Sunburst never goes out of style, with a gold guard WOW!!
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Post by notbillcosby » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:34 pm

So I'd talked myself into it... Just go ahead and order the AVRI! I was ready to do it, decided to call up fender first and make sure they had the sunburst in stock.


They don't. They have no Jazzmasters in stock. They'll be shipping in mid-September.

NO! I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG, DAMNIT! The hunt continues...

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Post by greenlander » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:04 pm

Fender has no Jazzmasters in stock?

Wow...that's just sad.  :'(
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Post by notbillcosby » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:18 pm

Yeah. And the store i work at doesnt have any... in the whole chain. Except used ones, and i can't get awesome deals on used stuff. CRAP CRAP crap.

Again, the hunt continues.

*Edited because there was more to say that i forgot.*

A friend at work says to me, he says, "Why don't you just BUILD one?  You could still order all the parts cheaply... it'd the same thing, just assembled by you instead of someone else."
Which... is true really. If i get a Jazzmaster body from Allparts, it's the same body as the one they'd be using at Fender. Same shape, same routing, same wood. I could order a neck, i could order all the hardware etc etc... But I just don't want to. I don't have a justifiable reason. It isn't going to feel like a real Jazzmaster to me if I built it myself, I don't think. I'd feel like I was still playing on a JM copy, one step away from the real thing.

But at the same time, my rationale seems totally ridiculous, as it'd probably be cheaper to build it myself, and would really wind up being the same guitar in the end. And, I'd probably get mine put together before Fender would have theirs available. Someone help me make up my mind, or at least tell me one or both of my ways of thinking about this is stupid.
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