50th Anniversary Jaguar Has Arrived!

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Re: 50th Anniversary Jaguar Has Arrived!

Post by CurtisNovak » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:00 pm

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xlat wrote:According to Fenders own page the finish is only "Lacquer" (same goes for Marr-Jag) and not listed as nitro (Nitrocellulose Lacquer) as on the AVRI. However, I'm not clever enough to understand what the difference is, eg. what lacquer do you usually mean when just writing it like that? Acrylic?
According to http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; LPB and BMM were always acrylic lacquer. Fender used both originally, especially on most of the metallic colors. CAR was Fender's own formula/process, so I don't know what they are doing to get that color these days. Essentially, anytime you see "Lucite" (Dupont's trade name for acrylic lacquer) then it is acrylic lacquer and not nitro. Just saying this in case some may think that Fender only used nito, and that acrylic lacquer is somehow not legit.

Maybe Fender just says "lacquer" in their descriptions to cover both types. I don't know. Then again, some vintage snobs would argue that what Fender is calling "nitrocellulose" these days is hardly worthy of the term. But that is another conversation, I guess . . .
Yes that is true ALL of the Metallic colors and Oly White they were always acrylic lacquer, but the clear coat was NOT acrylic it Nitrocellulose furniture lacquer. It was that clear coat that caused the yellowing and checking. Read this article I did some years ago for Guitar Buyer it was a very rare LPB Jazz bass that was not clear coated and you can see there was no yellowing, cracking, and b/c of that the metal flake oxidized.
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On a side note not all nitro lacquer are created equal, and modern day nitro has almost NO resemblance to the lacquer of 30 years ago. Now days you can not simply buy clear lacquer that has nitrocellulose on the label. EPA requirements and industry "improvements" have made most all modern nitro lacquers essentially acrylic lacquers. A little hint before you buy any nitro you should pop the lid and look at the color. If it looks the color of Canola Oil, put it back as it will not yellow, crack and age properly. If, however, you open the lit and it is the color of tea or motor oil, and they added no dyes to make it that color you are in business.

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Re: 50th Anniversary Jaguar Has Arrived!

Post by Pacafeliz » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:40 pm

nah... meh... not really thrilled about these.
a pity. :unsure:
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Post by jingle_jangle » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:37 pm

CurtisNovak wrote: If it looks the color of Canola Oil, put it back as it will not yellow, crack and age properly.

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Curtis, I don't want it to yellow or crack. If it doesn't, then it's aging properly, in my book... ;)

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Post by CurtisNovak » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:51 pm

jingle_jangle wrote:
CurtisNovak wrote: If it looks the color of Canola Oil, put it back as it will not yellow, crack and age properly.

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Curtis, I don't want it to yellow or crack. If it doesn't, then it's aging properly, in my book...
I am not saying there is a right or wrong way or that one is better than another for a guitar to age you can have it how you want. I was only addressing the comments of modern nitro finishes, that the term is thrown around a lot and, I was only saying modern nitro is nothing like the old nitro that they compare to.

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Post by kypdurron » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:13 am

to be fair, a fellow member here once showed me his Thin Skin Jag. When he removed the pickguard, the finish there was a lot different than on the rest of the body. so, that new nitro does age, and it does so very obviously. Think it was LPB, but may be wrong with the exact colour.
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Post by 46346 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:18 am

i found the neck and overall feel of the new Marr jag to be more classic than the 50th. but both of the 50th models i picked up at Fender NAMM were out of tune! perhaps they weren't even set-up yet. the Marrs sounded good and played nicely from the start, and were more reminiscent of my '65.
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Post by CurtisNovak » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:35 pm

To be honest over the past few years, I have found myself hanging out in the Squire booth more than the Fender ones. I have been much more interested in the Squire line. I wonder if maybe since they are the "red headed step child" of the corp they have a few less fingers in the pie, and/or maybe are a little more free to explore new ideas. I have actually noticed lately things that started as Squires have worked their way into Fender models. The Squires of today are actually well made guitars, and not just a cheap knock off Fender for the people that only wish they could afford the "Real thing" as they were in the 80's. I have really been enjoying buying Squiers, at a MUCH cheaper price, to work up pickup options for them.
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Post by chipbutty24 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:14 pm

CurtisNovak wrote:To be honest over the past few years, I have found myself hanging out in the Squire booth more than the Fender ones. I have been much more interested in the Squire line. I wonder if maybe since they are the "red headed step child" of the corp they have a few less fingers in the pie, and/or maybe are a little more free to explore new ideas. I have actually noticed lately things that started as Squires have worked their way into Fender models. The Squires of today are actually well made guitars, and not just a cheap knock off Fender for the people that only wish they could afford the "Real thing" as they were in the 80's. I have really been enjoying buying Squiers, at a MUCH cheaper price, to work up pickup options for them.
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I still can't believe how good my Classic Vibe tele is. The rest of the Squiers though aren't nearly as good IMO.

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Post by CurtisNovak » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:29 pm

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CurtisNovak wrote:To be honest over the past few years, I have found myself hanging out in the Squire booth more than the Fender ones. I have been much more interested in the Squire line. I wonder if maybe since they are the "red headed step child" of the corp they have a few less fingers in the pie, and/or maybe are a little more free to explore new ideas. I have actually noticed lately things that started as Squires have worked their way into Fender models. The Squires of today are actually well made guitars, and not just a cheap knock off Fender for the people that only wish they could afford the "Real thing" as they were in the 80's. I have really been enjoying buying Squiers, at a MUCH cheaper price, to work up pickup options for them.
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I still can't believe how good my Classic Vibe tele is. The rest of the Squiers though aren't nearly as good IMO.
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There were others but those came to mind quickly. I guess the thing is the foundation is good and with a few upgrades / mods can be great guitar.
They are much better that the cheap squires of old. I have a lot of customers that really love them after a pickup swap, but to be honest with all the pickups I have seen the Squires, and the Fenders are not all that different in that regard
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Re: 50th Anniversary Jaguar Has Arrived!

Post by captdusty » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:35 pm

ryland wrote:I really want one of these, but at that price it seems like it really should have a matching headstock.
Agreed. Maybe I really should get around to just building my own already.

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Post by JforJag » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:34 pm

Does anyone who tried out the 50th Anniversary Jag at NAMM know if the trem arm is screw-in or push-in style?

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Post by Jaguar018 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:38 am

JforJag wrote:Does anyone who tried out the 50th Anniversary Jag at NAMM know if the trem arm is screw-in or push-in style?
USA Jag/Jazz trems are always push-in.

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Post by gutter rock » Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:34 am

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JforJag wrote:Does anyone who tried out the 50th Anniversary Jag at NAMM know if the trem arm is screw-in or push-in style?
USA Jag/Jazz trems are always push-in.
I don't know if I would assume that on this guitar. The trem is in the Mexico location and I am betting those hotter pickups are the made in Mexico classic player pups. I know the regular Jag and Jazzmaster AVRI pups are USA made and I would be surprised if Fender made a special USA pickup for one anniversary model. Wouldn't surprise me if it is a classic player trem as well since Fender sees these mods as improvements.

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Post by JforJag » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:16 am

The 50th Jag looks to have the shorter arm to compensate for the relocated trem plate. I ask if the arm is threaded or not because I'm looking to replace the bushing assembly on my CP plate to allow a 'push-in' arm. I don't want to hack 3/8" off an AVRI arm.

I'm surprised Fender doesn't mention type of trem arm in the spec page for this guitar.

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Post by 46346 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:08 pm

sorry, i didn't notice other than to say the trem didn't feel any different to me than the USA ones i'm used to...
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