Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
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Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
Hi All, I'm looking at buying my one and only electric guitar (for a while, at least). I'm considering the Jazzmaster, the Strat, and the Tele. Out of all of them, the Jazzmaster sound is my favorite, though I love all three. However, the next big requirement is that I can switch back and from from standard to different alternate tunings quickly and easily (within reason). Because the JM has a trem and the fact that everyone says Tele's are indestructable I'm led to believe that the telecaster would be better for this application. Not sure where the strat's trem ranks among them in this area.
Anyway, could use some opinions here from the offsetters...thanks all!
Anyway, could use some opinions here from the offsetters...thanks all!
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Re: Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
Also, would something like the duo sonic with heavier gauge strings be ridiculous for adjusting between standard and alternate tunings, or could it work?
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Re: Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
If I could only have one electric guitar it would definitely be a Tele.
Intonation is going to be a compromise when going from standard to whatever alternate tuning(s) you're using. This may or may not be a problem depending on how radically different they are.
Intonation is going to be a compromise when going from standard to whatever alternate tuning(s) you're using. This may or may not be a problem depending on how radically different they are.
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Re: Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
I do this a lot with my Jazzmasters and never run into issues. For some reason my others tend to stay in standard. I just love the way JMs sound and react with alternate tunings.
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Re: Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
A telecaster is the best workhorse.
My recommendation:
Telecaster > Jazzmaster > Stratocaster
The telecaster’s tones are incredibly versatile. It will sound at home everywhere from funk, to jazz, to country, to pop, to black metal! The fixed bridge makes tuning more stable. Why? Because a trem has springs that must balance string tension. When you change tuning you must rebalance the springs.
On a Stratocaster, your springs are balanced by screwing the rear spring retainer in/ out of the body a little. Therefore, balancing strings means taking the back off and going back and forth between screwing and tuning until the bridge floats parallel to the body. Every time you change tunings (e.g., E to Eb) you must do this.
On a jazzmaster, this is easy, you turn one screw. However, MIM jazzmaster omit the lock button, so you must guess the balance point. If you buy a MIM jazzmaster, it’s advisable to switch the vibrato out for a USA Trem unit to get the lock button. The Japan trem is a bad idea as it’s slightly larger, meaning you must remove a tiny bit of the wood at the back of the trem cavity to use the trem to its full range. Another reason to swap the MIM vibrato for a USA one is the lock button fixes the vibrato. So if you go down in tuning, your trem stays locked. This means you need not rebalance the trem when going from standard to Drop tuning, or from E to Eb (etc).
The telecaster’s bridge is fixed, so there is nothing to rebalance as you change tunings. You will have to change intonation, but that’s simple.
The player mustang and duo sonic both have fixed bridges. They will work fine. But they have a shorter scale length. You may love that sound and feel. The strings will feel slinkier with less tension. Nevertheless, I cannot know your tone and feel preference. If in doubt go for the telecaster, it’s the tries and true choice.
The other factor is looks. Which one looks better to you? If you love how it looks then your guitar will make an awesome decoration when you’re not playing it.
The choice is yours.
My recommendation:
Telecaster > Jazzmaster > Stratocaster
The telecaster’s tones are incredibly versatile. It will sound at home everywhere from funk, to jazz, to country, to pop, to black metal! The fixed bridge makes tuning more stable. Why? Because a trem has springs that must balance string tension. When you change tuning you must rebalance the springs.
On a Stratocaster, your springs are balanced by screwing the rear spring retainer in/ out of the body a little. Therefore, balancing strings means taking the back off and going back and forth between screwing and tuning until the bridge floats parallel to the body. Every time you change tunings (e.g., E to Eb) you must do this.
On a jazzmaster, this is easy, you turn one screw. However, MIM jazzmaster omit the lock button, so you must guess the balance point. If you buy a MIM jazzmaster, it’s advisable to switch the vibrato out for a USA Trem unit to get the lock button. The Japan trem is a bad idea as it’s slightly larger, meaning you must remove a tiny bit of the wood at the back of the trem cavity to use the trem to its full range. Another reason to swap the MIM vibrato for a USA one is the lock button fixes the vibrato. So if you go down in tuning, your trem stays locked. This means you need not rebalance the trem when going from standard to Drop tuning, or from E to Eb (etc).
The telecaster’s bridge is fixed, so there is nothing to rebalance as you change tunings. You will have to change intonation, but that’s simple.
The player mustang and duo sonic both have fixed bridges. They will work fine. But they have a shorter scale length. You may love that sound and feel. The strings will feel slinkier with less tension. Nevertheless, I cannot know your tone and feel preference. If in doubt go for the telecaster, it’s the tries and true choice.
The other factor is looks. Which one looks better to you? If you love how it looks then your guitar will make an awesome decoration when you’re not playing it.
The choice is yours.
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Re: Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
Telecaster intonation is only a compromise when using a traditional three saddle bridge. Fender make a lot of six saddle telecasters, so just avoid the three saddle ones and you’re good to go.marqueemoon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:10 pmIf I could only have one electric guitar it would definitely be a Tele.
Intonation is going to be a compromise when going from standard to whatever alternate tuning(s) you're using. This may or may not be a problem depending on how radically different they are.
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Its a compromise rather because your intonation depends on what you are tuned to- its nothing to do with bridge type.ChrisDesign wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:28 amTelecaster intonation is only a compromise when using a traditional three saddle bridge. Fender make a lot of six saddle telecasters, so just avoid the three saddle ones and you’re good to go.marqueemoon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:10 pmIf I could only have one electric guitar it would definitely be a Tele.
Intonation is going to be a compromise when going from standard to whatever alternate tuning(s) you're using. This may or may not be a problem depending on how radically different they are.
As for Jazzmasters the lock button is very handy for downtuning. Just engage it and you wont have trem issues. I mostly only downbend anyway.
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Re: Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
If your favorite sound is the Jazzmaster, then just get that, and make it work. It'll be fine for alternate tunings.
Moving from tuning to tuning on the same guitar has challenges, but there's nothing about the Jazzmaster that will make it not possible. Just get the guitar well set up and have at it.
No reason to settle on a guitar you feel less joyful about.
Moving from tuning to tuning on the same guitar has challenges, but there's nothing about the Jazzmaster that will make it not possible. Just get the guitar well set up and have at it.
No reason to settle on a guitar you feel less joyful about.
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Re: Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
I switch tunings all the time on most of my guitars. It's worked perfectly with my Jazzmaster, tunings both up and down. If this is the guitar you like the best, get that one. I don't expect you'll have any issues.
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Re: Jazzmaster for switching between standard and alternate tunings?
What are you all doing with the nut? Do you have very broad nut slots to accommodate various string gauges? Does this have any downsides - I can imagine oversized nut slots would perhaps affect your sustain or introduce rattling?
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I use FACGCE a lot and the intonation issues are obvious and unpleasant if the bridge isn't set up for it. Depending on the tuning, you may find that having a guitar set up for it is the way to go. You can pick the right string gauges to get the best tension and file the nut accordingly as well. Get the JM and the Tele!
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