I'm hoping to get an early production Swope Descendant tailpiece on my Jazzmaster build, but failing that...
Are the Marr, Troy Van Leeuwen, and American Pro tailpiece the same? I have a TVL on my partscaster Jag and love it, and I'm wondering if the Marr and American Professional tailpiece are the same, since the bridges are similar? The TVL is basically a Staytrem and I super dig it, but they don't ship to the States anymore and TVL hardware is harder to find now compared to the year or so ago I built the Jag.
Hopefully I can get the Descendant, but if that takes longer than expected I'd like something acceptable in the meantime.
Tailpieces: Marr, TVL, Am Pro
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Re: Tailpieces: Marr, TVL, Am Pro
Those 3 trems are different.
TVL has the 0054466000 trem which is the same as AVRI and American Original ...
https://darrenriley.com/store/fender-am ... 054466000/
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... 4-2014.pdf
The Marr is 0091913000 and somewhat unique.
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... B_SISD.pdf
The Am Pro is 7710479000 and has screw-in arm ..
https://darrenriley.com/store/fender-am ... 710479000/
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... 7-2016.pdf
Some more physical differences ..
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=110185&hilit=tremolo#p1525263
TVL has the 0054466000 trem which is the same as AVRI and American Original ...
https://darrenriley.com/store/fender-am ... 054466000/
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... 4-2014.pdf
The Marr is 0091913000 and somewhat unique.
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... B_SISD.pdf
The Am Pro is 7710479000 and has screw-in arm ..
https://darrenriley.com/store/fender-am ... 710479000/
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... 7-2016.pdf
Some more physical differences ..
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=110185&hilit=tremolo#p1525263
"I just knew I wanted to make a sound that was the complete opposite of a Les Paul, and that’s pretty much a Jaguar." Rowland S. Howard.
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Re: Tailpieces: Marr, TVL, Am Pro
Hmmm. The TVL I have installed on my Jag has an arm that seems to stay put much better than expected, like the Marr/Staytrem ones. It's been awhile since I had it off, and I can't recall what the collet looked like but I just assumed it was "better" than an AVRI because it works better than any of them I've encountered. Interesting. Still going for the Descendant if/when but in the meantime I might need *something*. Maybe the AVRI is just fine?
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Re: Tailpieces: Marr, TVL, Am Pro
The Fender parts manuals do say that the 0054466000 trem is on the TVL and AO and AVRI62 and AV65 (and possibly others ?). But the 7702080000 bridge (Marr-like: Mustang-style, anti-sink bushings; but brass saddles) is unique to the TVL AFAIK.
There are several TVL trems that have been sold on reverb that look to have the right push-in collet for the 0054466000 (see below). I guess it's possible that there could still be variation in 'fit' ... in the collet or the arm itself ? The tightness is probably even adjustable with a pair of pliers ?
TVL sample 1 ...
https://reverb.com/au/item/4871746-fend ... bar-jaguar
TVL sample 2 ...
https://reverb.com/au/item/6846143-fend ... bar-jaguar
0054466000 at Riley ..
There are several TVL trems that have been sold on reverb that look to have the right push-in collet for the 0054466000 (see below). I guess it's possible that there could still be variation in 'fit' ... in the collet or the arm itself ? The tightness is probably even adjustable with a pair of pliers ?
TVL sample 1 ...
https://reverb.com/au/item/4871746-fend ... bar-jaguar
TVL sample 2 ...
https://reverb.com/au/item/6846143-fend ... bar-jaguar
0054466000 at Riley ..
"I just knew I wanted to make a sound that was the complete opposite of a Les Paul, and that’s pretty much a Jaguar." Rowland S. Howard.
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Re: Tailpieces: Marr, TVL, Am Pro
Yep- those all look like mine as best I can recall. For being stock, there's very little play in the arm- it stays where I leave it, which is fine by me.
The TVL saddles appear to be plated if they are indeed brass- but in any event they work well and sound good. I have a Musicmaster with a set of compensated brass Tele-style saddles that I love, so I thought the brass TVL would work well on the Jag build. I was correct.
I'm using a bridge from a Jazzmaster on a Jaguar, and I'm about to use a bridge from a Jaguar on a Jazzmaster...and both are actually variations on a Mustang bridge. This amuses me more than it probably should.
The TVL saddles appear to be plated if they are indeed brass- but in any event they work well and sound good. I have a Musicmaster with a set of compensated brass Tele-style saddles that I love, so I thought the brass TVL would work well on the Jag build. I was correct.
I'm using a bridge from a Jazzmaster on a Jaguar, and I'm about to use a bridge from a Jaguar on a Jazzmaster...and both are actually variations on a Mustang bridge. This amuses me more than it probably should.
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