JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by GilmourD » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:30 pm

Emil wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:39 am
Measurements from my 1995 MIJ Jagstang

Nut width: 1.60"
1st fret depth: 0.87"
12th fret depth: 0.99"
That's a chonky boi!

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by AcrylicSuperman » Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:53 pm

Emil wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:39 am
Measurements from my 1995 MIJ Jagstang

Nut width: 1.60"
1st fret depth: 0.87"
12th fret depth: 0.99"
Wow! That is definitely the chunckiest MIJ I've probably ever encountered! Thanks for the info.

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by Emil » Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:14 am

AcrylicSuperman wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:53 pm
Emil wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:39 am
Measurements from my 1995 MIJ Jagstang

Nut width: 1.60"
1st fret depth: 0.87"
12th fret depth: 0.99"
Wow! That is definitely the chunckiest MIJ I've probably ever encountered! Thanks for the info.
I made some mistakes with my digital caliper measuring the neck depth, so I took them again. Now they are 100% accurate.

Nut width: 1.60
1st fret depth: 0.85"
1st fret width: 1.63"
12th fret depth: 0.93"
12th fret width: 2.03"

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by GilmourD » Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:47 pm

Emil wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:14 am
AcrylicSuperman wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:53 pm
Emil wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:39 am
Measurements from my 1995 MIJ Jagstang

Nut width: 1.60"
1st fret depth: 0.87"
12th fret depth: 0.99"
Wow! That is definitely the chunckiest MIJ I've probably ever encountered! Thanks for the info.
I made some mistakes with my digital caliper measuring the neck depth, so I took them again. Now they are 100% accurate.

Nut width: 1.60
1st fret depth: 0.85"
1st fret width: 1.63"
12th fret depth: 0.93"
12th fret width: 2.03"
OK, that makes much more sense, although I would love that chonker with your original measurements. LOL

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by AcrylicSuperman » Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:40 pm

Emil wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:14 am
AcrylicSuperman wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:53 pm
Emil wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:39 am
Measurements from my 1995 MIJ Jagstang

Nut width: 1.60"
1st fret depth: 0.87"
12th fret depth: 0.99"
Wow! That is definitely the chunckiest MIJ I've probably ever encountered! Thanks for the info.
I made some mistakes with my digital caliper measuring the neck depth, so I took them again. Now they are 100% accurate.

Nut width: 1.60
1st fret depth: 0.85"
1st fret width: 1.63"
12th fret depth: 0.93"
12th fret width: 2.03"
Thanks for the update!

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by Emil » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:49 pm

I meassured my 1996 MG69 Mustang as well:

Nut width: 1.58"
1st fret depth: 0.82"
12th fret depth: 0.90"

Compared to my 1995 Jagstang around 0.02-0.03” slimmer, but in reality it’s almost impossible to feel a difference between the two necks. I wouldn’t be surpriced if the difference is an effect of the sanding process on the individual necks in the factory rather than differences in specs between models.

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by Amon 7.L » Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:39 am

Emil wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:49 pm
I meassured my 1996 MG69 Mustang as well:

Nut width: 1.58"
1st fret depth: 0.82"
12th fret depth: 0.90"

Compared to my 1995 Jagstang around 0.02-0.03” slimmer, but in reality it’s almost impossible to feel a difference between the two necks. I wouldn’t be surpriced if the difference is an effect of the sanding process on the individual necks in the factory rather than differences in specs between models.
Thank you for the measurements, Emil.
Yeah, the deviations are the result of the human operator during the process, it's clearly stated in Fender service diagrams:
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(I just realised this is post number 666 :ph34r: )

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by BTL » Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:35 am

Amon 7.L wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:39 am
Emil wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:49 pm
I meassured my 1996 MG69 Mustang as well:

Nut width: 1.58"
1st fret depth: 0.82"
12th fret depth: 0.90"

Compared to my 1995 Jagstang around 0.02-0.03” slimmer, but in reality it’s almost impossible to feel a difference between the two necks. I wouldn’t be surpriced if the difference is an effect of the sanding process on the individual necks in the factory rather than differences in specs between models.
Thank you for the measurements, Emil.
Yeah, the deviations are the result of the human operator during the process, it's clearly stated in Fender service diagrams:
Image

(I just realised this is post number 666 :ph34r: )
I think an argument can be made that the MIM Jag-Stang is closer to the likely or ideal spec than other versions might have been, but we'll never know for certain until the Blue Prototype is measured. Am I correct on this?
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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by Amon 7.L » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:43 am

BTL wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:35 am
Amon 7.L wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:39 am
Emil wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:49 pm
I meassured my 1996 MG69 Mustang as well:

Nut width: 1.58"
1st fret depth: 0.82"
12th fret depth: 0.90"

Compared to my 1995 Jagstang around 0.02-0.03” slimmer, but in reality it’s almost impossible to feel a difference between the two necks. I wouldn’t be surpriced if the difference is an effect of the sanding process on the individual necks in the factory rather than differences in specs between models.
Thank you for the measurements, Emil.
Yeah, the deviations are the result of the human operator during the process, it's clearly stated in Fender service diagrams:
Image

(I just realised this is post number 666 :ph34r: )
I think an argument can be made that the MIM Jag-Stang is closer to the likely or ideal spec than other versions might have been, but we'll never know for certain until the Blue Prototype is measured. Am I correct on this?

Unless you know something we're not aware of, NO. YOU ARE NOT CORRECT.

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by BTL » Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:20 am

Amon 7.L wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:43 am
Unless you know something we're not aware of, NO. YOU ARE NOT CORRECT.
Somewhere in the distant past I thought I remembered the MG69 neck was the closest newer production model, and it looks pretty close to the MIM Jag-Stang. Perhaps I mis-remembered. Maybe those were the 2.0 prototypes?
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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by AcrylicSuperman » Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:25 am

BTL wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:20 am
Amon 7.L wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:43 am
Unless you know something we're not aware of, NO. YOU ARE NOT CORRECT.
Somewhere in the distant past I thought I remembered the MG69 neck was the closest newer production model, and it looks pretty close to the MIM Jag-Stang. Perhaps I mis-remembered. Maybe those were the 2.0 prototypes?
They did throw a MG69 neck on red 2.0. We know that blue never got such treatment.

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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by BTL » Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:36 am

AcrylicSuperman wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:25 am
They did throw a MG69 neck on red 2.0. We know that blue never got such treatment.
Ah! That's the detail I got confused about...thank you!

So, the MIM neck is faithful to the MG69 used on red 2.0. I wonder if that's what they used as the baseline for the MIM reissue. I apologize if the details are a little fuzzy for me at this point. :)
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Re: JAG-STANG Prototype - Reverse Engineering

Post by AcrylicSuperman » Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:09 am

BTL wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:36 am
AcrylicSuperman wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:25 am
They did throw a MG69 neck on red 2.0. We know that blue never got such treatment.
Ah! That's the detail I got confused about...thank you!

So, the MIM neck is faithful to the MG69 used on red 2.0. I wonder if that's what they used as the baseline for the MIM reissue. I apologize if the details are a little fuzzy for me at this point. :)
I don't believe they evem used the MG-69 as the baseline for the MIM either. They have similarities but aren't the same either. Each variation of the Jagstamg has had a different neck.

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