3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

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Was the 3 bolt neck a good or bad idea?

Good idea! They work great.
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3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by RumorsOFsurF » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:55 pm

After owning my '72 Deluxe RI, I'm wondering what the general view on the 3-bolt neck is.  I can't believe how much the neck can shift on mine!  I had to align the neck, because the high E was slipping of the board.  :(

I'm still trying to work all the setup bugs out. 


When I hit a note really hard, it kind of sounds dead.  Could it be due to the frets and radius?  I'm going to swap the strings for 10's as soon as I post this.  I also have to slightly clearance the nut, as the G is binding even with .09s.. >:(


So what do you all think about this great technological '70's breakthrough?  Yes or no?
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by northern_dirt » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:13 pm

Never owned one before..
Ill have to now give one a good workout before buying though
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by RumorsOFsurF » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:20 pm

Well,  the dead string thing was just that....Strings.  Those factory strings are shit.

So, I've replaced the 9's with some D'Addario 10's, and done some adjusting.  I still have some fret buzz, but it's manageable.  I've raised the action quite a bit.  The funny thing is, I don't think I can raise the saddles much more than they already are.  The action's still lower than my Jazzmasters, though.  ???
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by Gordon » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:25 am

Got to follow this thread, as I may have a 3-bolt project in the works soon... Hopefully, the body would come before the neck, allowing me to drill the holes for a 4-bolt and get a corresponding neck.


EDIT: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=311614 answer a few questions about 3-bolt neck attachment...
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by the older brother » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:03 am

Some quotes from Angelas:
Parts For (UGH!) Three-Bolt "Strats"
"Tilt Disc Upper Neck". Fits into a shallow cavity bored into the back of the neck heel, threaded for evil machine screw/"3rd bolt" that somewhat tenuously holds the neck to the body. There is one threaded hole in this gizmo and the machine screw/"3rd bolt" attaches here.
...Fits bad old '70s Strats.
But I think they generally dislike the 70's stuff...This is what they write about the F tuners:
Fender 70's "F" Tuners. This style of BUTT UGLY tuners were used on Fender guitars during the bad old CBS '70s when Fender styling and quality was (in my opinion...) at a low point. These superbly made "'70s reissue" tuners are the 'VERSION II' style of the "F" tuner with precision geared Schaller manufactured innards, requiring very careful counter boring on the back end of the headstock. Not recommended for installation by non-cello peghead reamer owners, OK? No, these are not 'drop in' replacement tuners for the crummy, flimsy stamped tuners on your '74 Strat but they may fit your '79 with no modifications required. Chrome plated, includes press-in bushings and screws. Fender "F" stamped into back of chrome plated stamped metal tuner case. Precision tuner mechanism is (usually, not always...)
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I don't have any three bolt neck guitars, but a former bandmate had a banana pudding 70's $trat with a three bolt. I can't remember him saying any bad about it...and it looked cool IMO. For a while I was thinking of having a three bolt on the PooMaster, but the body came pre-drilled so I changed that for a four-bolt F plate instead.
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by mjet » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:44 am

The three-bolt necks have a very bad reputation in some circles to be sure. But I feel that the main reason for the bad press isn't the design itself, but rather Fender's sloppy work cutting neck pockets in the late 70s - lots of wobble room. Leo Fender went on to use the three-bolt (well, three-screw) system at Music Man & some early G&L guitars with no ill-effects. If the pocket and neck butt-end fit solidly, there's really no problem. But if there's a lot of play in the neck pocket, four is better than three, and six is probably better than four, etc.

The Micro-tilt is a separate issue although often linked with the three-bolt system since they were introduced at the same time. USA Fenders have long had a four-bolt system with micro-tilt which I suppose is used by some people while others just pull the adjustment bolt back a bit and pretend it's not there. I guess it's a question of micro-tilt vs shimming...
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by luau » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:22 am

I like the micro-tilt adjustment as it's pretty convenient. I've got it on a 3 and a 4 bolt.
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by 1946dodge » Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:50 pm

I have had a 74 Strat since it was new. It has the 3 bolt neck, and like all strats has the microtilt.
The 3 bolt neck never gave me any trouble, in fact, if the strings arent aligned properly with the neck sides, you can adjust this with the 3 bold system.
I also have an 89 strat deluxe with the 4 bolt neck and it is find also.
The only trouble I ever had with the old strat with the 3 bolt system was the neck sucked the day I got it.
It had a slight twist (high  E side was straight while the low E side had a dip.) This was repaired in the 90's by a good luthier who put new frets and replaned the neck.
In fact, he started his business in the 70's because he had a strat with a shit neck then and found out how to fix it. He then got into the buisness and has been doing guitar work ever since.

Fender buitl some really lousy necks in the 70's and didnt get any better until the late 80's. Now they are all pretty much good.
But it wasnt the 3 bolt system that made them play shitty, it was the green wood they used for necks. The other problem as others have said is the neck pocket was made way oversized and no matter how many bolts held the neck on the transmission of vibration to the body would not be taking place thru the pocket sides, only where it was mounted underneath the neck.. This would cause loss in or change in tone.

Interestingly I have a latet 80's or early 90's G&L Comanche VI which has a 3 bolt neck with microtilt,  so if Leo thought the 3 bolt system was bad, he most likely would not have continued to use it at G&L.

That guitar is fine as well.
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by Gordon » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:43 am

Putting a *non (I can't stress that enough) micro-tilt* 3-bolt neck on a 3-bolt body (which has the micro-tilt)... Would it work? The third screw seems a little thinner than the bold used on micro-tilt assemblies, so I assume it'd go throught the hole of the metal plate (in the neck pocket) directly to the heel of the neck, right?
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by mjet » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:35 am

Gordon wrote: Putting a *non (I can't stress that enough) micro-tilt* 3-bolt neck on a 3-bolt body (which has the micro-tilt)... Would it work? The third screw seems a little thinner than the bold used on micro-tilt assemblies, so I assume it'd go throught the hole of the metal plate (in the neck pocket) directly to the heel of the neck, right?
The Japanese Fender reissues which have three-bolt neck layouts actually have three regular screws, just like you suggested. Two things to watch out for - first of all, the third hole in the neck pocket (for the bolt, not the two screws) is larger in diameter to the screws so you'd have to probably dowel it and redrill a smaller hole for the screw (or find a larger diameter screw). You'd also want to make sure that the place where the third hole on the neck would go wouldn't interfere with the truss rod as many necks that have the adjustment at the heel end wouldn't like being drilled there - you'd want to find a neck with the truss rod adjustment at the headstock, like 70s necks.
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Re: 3 bolt neck and micro-tilt...Good idea/bad idea?

Post by Gordon » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:44 am

mjet wrote: The Japanese Fender reissues which have three-bolt neck layouts actually have three regular screws, just like you suggested. Two things to watch out for - first of all, the third hole in the neck pocket (for the bolt, not the two screws) is larger in diameter to the screws so you'd have to probably dowel it and redrill a smaller hole for the screw (or find a larger diameter screw). You'd also want to make sure that the place where the third hole on the neck would go wouldn't interfere with the truss rod as many necks that have the adjustment at the heel end wouldn't like being drilled there - you'd want to find a neck with the truss rod adjustment at the headstock, like 70s necks.
To be more precise: I've got a Tele Custom '72RI (3-bolt, micro-tilt, truss access on the head) that's Mexican... There's a Japanese counterpart, which is the exact same model except it has no micro-tilt. And I'd like to put the JP neck on the MX body. Now, for the bolt/screw thing: I have bolt-on necks on a few guitars, and the mounting holes on the body are larger than the screws; so, I thought that screws had to screw only in the neck, and that it was the neck plate that actually was the attachment-point on the body. Is it really an issue to have one larger hole ont the body side (and only on this side of the junction)?

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