Help me understand matching headstocks
- aliendawg
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Help me understand matching headstocks
So are they always come with the custom colors right?
Are there exceptions? On which years? I've seen black and white jags without matching headstock so I'm confused.
Are there exceptions? On which years? I've seen black and white jags without matching headstock so I'm confused.
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
They started in 1962. Blond never came with a matching headstock, though. Everything else did to my knowledge after some time in 1962.
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
When did the matching headstocks stop? 1970? I know in the 70s they didn't have them anymore, but I don't know the exact year.
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
What does it mean when you see an olympic white Jag from the 60's without a matching headstock? Is it possibly a refin?
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
I have a 1963 dated all original CAR (with all gold hardware) Jazzmaster that does not have a matching headstock.
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
Possibly, yes, a non-matching headstock would always need to be inspected more carefully.
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
Regarding the end date, I can say that matching CAR headstocks on offsets seems to have stopped by 1971 (I have a Mustang & Mustang Bass from this year - don't have anything from 1970)
In between ... a late 1965 CAR Bass VI with a plain headstock (but a 1966 is painted)?
Also a CAR Swinger from 1968 with a plain headstock (but given the origins of this odd guitar perhaps that's nothing to go on)
Regarding other Fender lines, CAR P Basses do not seem to have had matching headstocks at all as a matter of routine, but Jazz basses certainly did through to at least 1967 / 68 (I have a 68 model with no paint) & by the 70's these guitars had only plain headstocks.
Trouble is that you could probably had ordered anything with matching paint (or not) at any time as a one-off!
In between ... a late 1965 CAR Bass VI with a plain headstock (but a 1966 is painted)?
Also a CAR Swinger from 1968 with a plain headstock (but given the origins of this odd guitar perhaps that's nothing to go on)
Regarding other Fender lines, CAR P Basses do not seem to have had matching headstocks at all as a matter of routine, but Jazz basses certainly did through to at least 1967 / 68 (I have a 68 model with no paint) & by the 70's these guitars had only plain headstocks.
Trouble is that you could probably had ordered anything with matching paint (or not) at any time as a one-off!
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
In general after spring 1962 through early 70s:
blonde = never + tort
oly white = mostly never + tort
all others = always + white guard unless it was a true custom order or other special circumstance
Fender would try to do any finish in any configuration (tort or white guard) if desired by a customer, but production guitars almost always follow the format above.
Always verify in person or make sure you can return it
blonde = never + tort
oly white = mostly never + tort
all others = always + white guard unless it was a true custom order or other special circumstance
Fender would try to do any finish in any configuration (tort or white guard) if desired by a customer, but production guitars almost always follow the format above.
Always verify in person or make sure you can return it
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
I'm new here, but this seems relevant, recently picked up a '62 with matching headstock:
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
Well, Mustangs are a different matter entirely. They only came in 3 colours in any given year, and from '64-early '68 they never had matching headstocks.Maulden7 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:32 amRegarding the end date, I can say that matching CAR headstocks on offsets seems to have stopped by 1971 (I have a Mustang & Mustang Bass from this year - don't have anything from 1970)
In between ... a late 1965 CAR Bass VI with a plain headstock (but a 1966 is painted)?
Also a CAR Swinger from 1968 with a plain headstock (but given the origins of this odd guitar perhaps that's nothing to go on)
Regarding other Fender lines, CAR P Basses do not seem to have had matching headstocks at all as a matter of routine, but Jazz basses certainly did through to at least 1967 / 68 (I have a 68 model with no paint) & by the 70's these guitars had only plain headstocks.
Trouble is that you could probably had ordered anything with matching paint (or not) at any time as a one-off!
Then, with the competition stripes and redesign (e.g. contours), they introduced matching headstocks in late '68, which lasted until '70. Then, in '71, the matching headstocks were discontinued although the other changes (colours, competition stripes, contours) remained.
That's a very different timeline from the custom colour Fenders from '62 on that had matching headstocks.
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
From the never say never file:
Note the BMM Jag with tort and non-matching headstock.
All non-matching, actually, so maybe this is from early ‘62?
Note the BMM Jag with tort and non-matching headstock.
All non-matching, actually, so maybe this is from early ‘62?
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How’s they get those guitars to stand up by themselves like that? Fender is magic!
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Re: Help me understand matching headstocks
Just to be clear, this conversation only applies to Jaguars & Jazzmasters, right?