I think it's klezmer or maybe reggaeton.
Is loud guitar-based music destined to be "throwback" music from here outwards?
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Back in those days, everyone knew that if you were talking about Destiny's Child, you were talking about Beyonce, LaTavia, LeToya, and Larry.
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Thanks Larry.
FWIW, my comment was inspired by what I consider to be the ultimate post on OSG: https://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vi ... A#p1352334
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Oh god, that thread was crazy. It got pretty heated.smjenkins wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:06 pmThanks Larry.
FWIW, my comment was inspired by what I consider to be the ultimate post on OSG: https://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vi ... A#p1352334
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it's a meme that people treat like it's somewhere between a genre and a religion.
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Yup. Also very corny music. Detuned guitars are cool, but metal genres always seem to come with a certain level of camp and edgyness, which ruins any good musical ideas. For me at least. I can't take any of the big metal acts seriously.s_mcsleazy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:39 amit's a meme that people treat like it's somewhere between a genre and a religion.
I never cared about personas in music, and the more an artist piles on a persona, the more corny it becomes.
I am ok with a certain level of theatrics and showmanship, but when it approaches cartoonish levels of identity like Marilyn Manson or Cannibal Corpse, I can't take it seriously at all.
GWAR are an exception. That shit is on purpose. That is ok with me. By all means, don't take yourself seriously.
The artists that take themselves seriously, whilst also being over the top and theatrical, is something I find corny.
I guess I prefer a modest approach. I don't care how heavy something is, I just want to hear the music without all the cool dude attitudes and edgy nonsense.
I dig a band like Opeth. They employ the imagery and brutal heaviness of metal, but they seem totally normal and chill as people.
You can listen to an interview and see that they are just artists that want to make music.
You never get that from Marilyn Manson. He is 100% serious in character all the time. He is a dated example, but I hope my point is clear.
I don't buy it. I acted and played music all my life, and we are real people, Marilyn. Real people.
If all those metal guys were chill and sincere like
Robert Smith, I would feel differently. He has a larger than life appearance and stage presence, but I have never seen him come across as arrogant or into his own persona too much. He just expressed himself without the extra baggage and seriousness.
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Old smithy is larger than life...like XXXXL large. Please Bob....ditch the makeup and get a hair cut. Maybe stop eating fish and chips. I love the Cure, but he looks like my cat lady neighbor.
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Robert Smith is unfortunately a textbook example of how not to age gracefully. He's only 3 years older than someone like Rick Beato. Wild, right?budda12ax7 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:40 amOld smithy is larger than life...like XXXXL large. Please Bob....ditch the makeup and get a hair cut. Maybe stop eating fish and chips. I love the Cure, but he looks like my cat lady neighbor.
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When I caught a glimpse of him in 2012 I actually experienced a twinge of fear because he looked like such a horror show. But then he started singing and playing and there he was, with all the important parts functioning. I love that band so much. And they absolutely killed it for three hours.
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And here's me thinking Joey B is more of a character performance than in-period Jack White ever was.
OK that's fucking gold.
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Well, I would say that no matter what one thinks of Jack White or the White Stripes, one would have to acknowledge that he was a very good writer of lyrics in that band.
Were Joe B writes hack bullshit about being poor, which he never was but he dimly knows that a lot of blues musicians used to be, Jack White wrote sharp fucking lyrics in my opinion.
I'm not a big White Stripes fan or anything, I had some albums, saw them a couple of times. But I'll tip my hat to the man's writing no problem.
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I mean... yeah. ATCQ peaked 30 years ago. A 29-year old rap fan wasn't born when "Bonita Applebum" released.BoringPostcards wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:44 pmI wasn't really disagreeing with you, more just adding to it, and lamenting the state of popular hip hop right now.
A group like Tribe Called Quest would be seen as 'boring oldhead junk' to many of today's hip hop fans.
Rap, far more than rock, has been a living art form over the last several decades - new sounds and new styles coming out. A 29-year old 'rock fan' (such as people aren't heterogenous fans of all music these days) is probably more open to 30-year old music, because rock is largely built around nostalgia and has been for a long time - underground and above-the-ground.
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I think nostalgia is a factor in many forms of music, but I agree it is very prevalent in rock. Hip hop does morph quite a lot, but there is always an element of the past in there somewhere, be it a sample or a simple lyrical nod.wooderson wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:00 pmI mean... yeah. ATCQ peaked 30 years ago. A 29-year old rap fan wasn't born when "Bonita Applebum" released.BoringPostcards wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:44 pmI wasn't really disagreeing with you, more just adding to it, and lamenting the state of popular hip hop right now.
A group like Tribe Called Quest would be seen as 'boring oldhead junk' to many of today's hip hop fans.
Rap, far more than rock, has been a living art form over the last several decades - new sounds and new styles coming out. A 29-year old 'rock fan' (such as people aren't heterogenous fans of all music these days) is probably more open to 30-year old music, because rock is largely built around nostalgia and has been for a long time - underground and above-the-ground.
There is an expected level of respect to be given to past masters, and artists that go against that are often seen as controversial, such as machine gun kelly. The guy openly states his disdain for the past masters. He wants to be the only master. He is rather lackluster though.
I really don't buy that guitar is going to actually disappear. It's quite obvious from the huge amount of YouTube channels, all of which earn enough to pile up fancy gear and attend trade shows, that guitar isn't unpopular with the youth.
Bands like Polyphia are making waves with young kids. Also people like Yvette Young and other similar players are obviously not being ignored. The guitar styles here are not blues based or jazz based, instead they're coming from prog, math and acoustic tapstyle folk, and ending upbnot sounding like any of it.
Much of it is overcomplicated and cerebral, but the younger crowd eat it up.
Bass channels are pretty big too. Davie504? I don't watch any of this stuff, because I get annoyed with the juvenile meme culture, but these people have millions of viewers and drive ferraris around.
Bass is in a different boat though. The electric bass is everywhere and isn't always sufficiently replaced by synths. Bass killed the tuba, but it will take a lot to kill the bass.
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I think I understand what you mean by this (electric bass was able to cover a lot of the bottom end as big bands evolved into smaller combos?) but could you please expand on this?BoringPostcards wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:21 pmBass is in a different boat though. The electric bass is everywhere and isn't always sufficiently replaced by synths. Bass killed the tuba, but it will take a lot to kill the bass.
If nothing else "Bass killed the tuba" would make a great sticker...
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Tuba was a very common bass instrument for centuries, but the electrification of the bass guitar slowly removed it from almost every genre that employed it. You can still hear it used for basslines in Klezmer, German traditional music and Balkan folk, but it has been replaced nearly everywhere else.Veitchy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:01 amI think I understand what you mean by this (electric bass was able to cover a lot of the bottom end as big bands evolved into smaller combos?) but could you please expand on this?BoringPostcards wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:21 pmBass is in a different boat though. The electric bass is everywhere and isn't always sufficiently replaced by synths. Bass killed the tuba, but it will take a lot to kill the bass.
If nothing else "Bass killed the tuba" would make a great sticker...
Before amplication of basses, the tuba was your best bet to keep up with the volume of an orchestra or big band.
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I wonder if all the emo-inspired younger guitar virtuosos will actually excite kids to play guitar though? That stuff is so out of the sphere of a beginner. It seems like 'indie' music as a whole swung back to highly skilled players and songwriters, and it'll probably create a backlash to simple songs. Sometimes I watch the Yvette Young clips, but I can't say it ever inspires me to play, and I don't think I can listen to one of Covet's songs all the way through because it doesn't even really sound musical to my ears. I attributed it to being old and not of that generation.