There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

[marginwalker]

I think the big vs small headstock debate is pretty moot at this point since at least a few ‘66 Jazzmasters with small headstocks do exist

[graceless]

i can assure you that the design team is having a good laugh while they sit around a table because they know that no matter fkn what, the measurebators and 'purists' are never going to be happy because the goalposts are always going to move. finally got the b&b right? well the radius is wrong! finally got the radius right? well the color of the wiring is wrong! got the wiring right? the headstock is the wrong size!

if you want a June 17th 1966 Jazzmaster, just go buy the thing. Otherwise settle for a new version which by all accounts is probably better than the vintage one in every way

signed, someone who owns a perfect 1965 jag but plays his AO 60s jag more for some reason which is a guitar that apparently OSG hates because...reasons??? amalgamation bad? no idea

[algeriet]

I think the big vs small headstock debate is pretty moot at this point since at least a few ‘66 Jazzmasters with small headstocks do exist

But (AFAIK) none with the small headstock + B&B combination.

[GreenKnee]

signed, someone who owns a perfect 1965 jag but plays his AO 60s jag more for some reason which is a guitar that apparently OSG hates because...reasons??? amalgamation bad? no idea

Yep, same boat. My AO Jag is my main guitar whilst my '62 Jag sits in the corner confused and wishing things weren't this way.

[dave19er]

Offset user Surfgreen58's '66 Jaguar. Imagine if Fender released these as part of the series, it would be incredible.

That’s the guitar I want, right there!

[algeriet]

THOSE BASTARDS

i can assure you that the design team is having a good laugh while they sit around a table because they know that no matter fkn what, the measurebators and 'purists' are never going to be happy because the goalposts are always going to move. finally got the b&b right? well the radius is wrong! finally got the radius right? well the color of the wiring is wrong! got the wiring right? the headstock is the wrong size!

if you want a June 17th 1966 Jazzmaster, just go buy the thing. Otherwise settle for a new version which by all accounts is probably better than the vintage one in every way

signed, someone who owns a perfect 1965 jag but plays his AO 60s jag more for some reason which is a guitar that apparently OSG hates because...reasons??? amalgamation bad? no idea

I am just saying, the AO line was a downgrade from the AV line from 2012-2017 (not to be confused with the AVRI) and for those of us who were hoping and waiting for a triumphant return to form for Fender's exclusive reissue series that boasted vintage authenticity, this new AVII is a lazy take.

I have to laugh at the interesting comments on the various boards. These are really obvious (to me) just another tweak to the existing AO line. The only difference being the colours offered and the 7.25" radius fretboards.

Honestly, what's the difference between PV 63 Tele pickups and PV 64 Tele pickups? Or PV 65 Jazzmaster pickups and PV 66 Jazzmaster pickups?

The AO50's Strat was a combination of the AV56 and AV59 parts and specs - I would wager the new 57 will be pretty close to the former 56 and the new 61 will probably be a mashup of the former 59 and 65 Strats (in terms of parts and pickups).

The finish stated is "nitrocellulose lacquer" which is exactly what they say on the AO lines. I've noticed they have not used the term "flash coat lacquer" which was specifically used when describing the 12-17 AV finishes (and is still used in the CS today).

I think they're just rebranding/repackaging a lot of the stuff they already have and putting a new price tag on them.

Finally someone asking the real questions. From what I can observe, the new AVII66 (is that the new acronym?) is an AO60s with an F-plate, new pickups,, block inlays and a different radius.

[Maggieo]

Offset user Surfgreen58's '66 Jaguar. Imagine if Fender released these as part of the series, it would be incredible.

I had one of these when I was in art school, back in the 80s.

[JSett]

Finally someone asking the real questions. From what I can observe, the new AVII66 (is that the new acronym?) is an AO60s with an F-plate, new pickups,, block inlays and a different radius.

Doesn't that also mean then that the, much slated, AO60s was just a (almost universally adored) AV65 with merely a different radius and frets?

Almost all of Fenders' changes through the 60's amounted to nothing much more than very small incremental changes. This is nothing new for them.

[Larry Mal]

Kind of hard to think there's a lot to do with vintage based guitars.

And I really doubt if most people sweat the details as much as this forum, a pretty Jazzmaster is probably all anyone really needs.

[javier-san]

Kind of hard to think there's a lot to do with vintage based guitars.

And I really doubt if most people sweat the details as much as this forum, a pretty Jazzmaster is probably all anyone really needs.

+1

[welshywelsh]

So in short, it seems to me that they only went 90% there in order to save cash and let the less knowledgeable enjoy their new guitars

Looking down on people who don't know everything about offset guitars is not cool. Thankfully Fender aren't so judgemental!

[DavidG]

THOSE BASTARDS

i can assure you that the design team is having a good laugh while they sit around a table because they know that no matter fkn what, the measurebators and 'purists' are never going to be happy because the goalposts are always going to move. finally got the b&b right? well the radius is wrong! finally got the radius right? well the color of the wiring is wrong! got the wiring right? the headstock is the wrong size!

if you want a June 17th 1966 Jazzmaster, just go buy the thing. Otherwise settle for a new version which by all accounts is probably better than the vintage one in every way

signed, someone who owns a perfect 1965 jag but plays his AO 60s jag more for some reason which is a guitar that apparently OSG hates because...reasons??? amalgamation bad? no idea

I am just saying, the AO line was a downgrade from the AV line from 2012-2017 (not to be confused with the AVRI) and for those of us who were hoping and waiting for a triumphant return to form for Fender's exclusive reissue series that boasted vintage authenticity, this new AVII is a lazy take.

A downgrade for who? Maybe for vintage purists, but it certainly wasn't for me. The AO Jags I have owned have always had a feel and build quality a level above any other Jag model I have owned (vintage, avri thin skin, av 65, you name it).

I get the disappointment at the changes to neck radius and the fact that the finish didn't peel off the second you looked at it. But AO line were never inferior guitars.

[mekhem]

I am pretty sure that the last 2 pages of back and forth are because they chose a transition year to re-issue. Big/small/ b&d/b&b.... all part of the transition years i think (not an expert though). So yeah - they probably did cherry pick some of the features and call it a '66.

I for one am thankful for the matching head stock, new colors, and the return of the vintage radius If I wasn't full up on Jazzmasters I would be way into that Dakota Red one...). I am real curious about the PV66 pickups - probably being the only person ever to think the PV65's were too bright.

RE:Jaguars in the line - we pretty much had that with the much .... "loved"... Anniversary Jaguar which was pretty much a '66.

[Powdered Toast Man]

One of these is the American Vintage 65 Jazzmaster and the other is the American Original 60's Jazzmaster. Can you tell the difference?

All they changed was the fretboard radius and the frets.

[dave19er]

I asked Wildwood, who reached to their Fender rep, and it sounds like the Johnny Marr is kind of the only USA Jaguar for a while out. Which is a huge disappointment to me, if true.