Staytrem vs. Mastery or Mastery vs. Staytrem

[_nash]

I had to enlarge the holes on my mute for the Staytrem. Just bored them out slightly withy the dremel. No big deal.

[SneakyT]

I actually had to do the same thing with my mute to stop the buzzing with the standard bridge that came on on the PS Bass VI. Was really easy.

[0xeneye]

I had to enlarge the holes on my mute for the Staytrem.

I finally got around to doing that myself, very easy once you do it.

[Scantino]

Does anybody have any specific insight on which bridge does a better job of keeping the strings from jumping out of the saddles?

That is the biggest issue I have with the mustang bridge on my CIJ Jazzmasters. I use 12 gauge strings and play pretty rough and they are always popping out.

[gusman2x]

Don't know about the the mastery, but i've had zero issues with the staytrem. Can't see it being an issue on the mastery either though.

[Despot]

Does anybody have any specific insight on which bridge does a better job of keeping the strings from jumping out of the saddles?

That is the biggest issue I have with the mustang bridge on my CIJ Jazzmasters. I use 12 gauge strings and play pretty rough and they are always popping out.

You shouldn't have an issue with either - I use .11s on the JMs I have fitted with staytrems (a CIJ and a '62 AVRI thin skin) and never had an issue - I also have my Jag strung with .11s and a staytrem - no issues with a shorter scale guitar either. I don't hammer the hell out of my guitars, but I always had issues with my old CIJ Jaguar with strings jumping out of the grooves - this just doesn't happen with the staytrem.

If you're playing super super hard I would go with a Mastery - the groove on the staytrem is reasonably deep, but the Mastery saddles have even more capacity to deal with heavier strings - I couldn't see you jumping a string out of those saddles unless you were playing with heavily detuned strings (like down to C or Db or something) and really really trying to do it.

[spacecadet]

Well, I think I'm becoming a Staytrem convert. I bought one off someone here after trying it out (he pm'd me initially, so not sure if he wants to be ID'd) and it has solved pretty much all of my issues with my AVRI. I do still have a tiny bit of buzz on the low E when it's open for some reason but that's it, and I'm not sure that's actually coming from the bridge (it's not fret buzz either, though - it's down somewhere below the neck). No more buzz other than that, and my high E is no longer too close to the edge of the board. It's still a smidge closer than the low E down most of the neck because of the way my nut's cut, but it's not close enough to worry about anymore, and doing vibrato or fingering complex chords up near the top of the neck no longer causes me to embarrassingly pull off the board. I also don't really notice the tighter string spacing now that I've actually tried it. And my action is lower without fretting out on my B and high E strings like I did with my old bridge.

My AVRI bridge was just a piece of junk. I guess it happens. You can't tell by looking at it but that thing was defective for all intents and purposes. But I think even if I'd gotten a good one, the Staytrem is still an improvement. And I'd rather have paid a little more knowing I now have a solid bridge than taking a chance on another AVRI or Mustang bridge and potentially having some of the same problems.

I like the way it looks, too - I'm not sure I could deal with the look of the Mastery on my JM. Though I don't hold anything against anyone who feels differently about that.

[Despot]

Nice to see another convert out there spacecadet - and glad to hear that you've solved that old issue of yours with string spacing (more or less).

I like the solidity of both designs over the stock bridge - and I guess there are two different schools of thought between the two bridges (staytrem being the floating design, as it does indeed rock back and forth despite my original mistaken belief that it stayed in place like a Mastery - and obviously the Mastery acting more like a fixed bridge). Both have their place depending on what you want your bridge to do.

All I ask from any bridge is to be solid - i.e. that I don't have to worry about rattle, buzz or tuning stability. Both manage that (in different ways), so both get a thumbs up from me.

[empyrean]

Well, just got my work bonus and put in an order for a staytrem for my '65 jag. I tried to get the vintage bridge to work, but it just won't cooperate.

I was excited when my a friend of mine said he had a contact in Canada supplying mastery bridges - the negative is it would still cost me $200 +tax. This was quite literally half the money.

Excited to give it a try. I definitely feel better about how this will look on a vintage jag vs the mastery.

[Filly-Fuzz]

I do still have a tiny bit of buzz on the low E when it's open for some reason but that's it, and I'm not sure that's actually coming from the bridge (it's not fret buzz either, though - it's down somewhere below the neck).

Get a nut file and make sure there is an angled bed for the string through the nut, also when restringing try and give the E string post as many winds around the post as you can.
This will force the string down ensuring a good angle of break.

60% of brand new guitars I have seen needed the nut slots re-angled ATMO

[redchapterjubilee]

I've never owned a mastery, but I installed my staytrem tonight and it is a night and day change from the warmoth modified mustang. My PAFmaster now has real sustain, no buzzing and it just feels more solid. Makes me think I might should get one for my AVRI jm too...

[parry]

Staytrem is on my ECJM! I've had it on for a week and had a couple of rehearsals with it as well.
It's simple, it's solid. It's staying. Not to get all honeymoon with it... but I'm glad I got it, and I do prefer it to the Mastery. Intonation was a breeze. I'd forgotten how much less hassle it is, when you're not moving more than one string at once (I got used to it with the Mastery - but I didn't like it).
The saddles match the radius, it doesn't rattle or lower itself - enough said.

When I switched the bridge, i also had to put on a fresh set of strings - I couldn't find any 13s, so I had to go with 12s. You wouldn't think it makes that much difference... but to me...
Not liking that part so much, so I'll definitely have to switch back with the next set. 12s feel so flimsy, after you get used to 13s... I wouldn't have thought so... but I really noticed it. Changed the sound slightly too... but anyway...
it doesn't rattle, and it doesn't lower itself!

Really liked the difference in the ringing behind the bridge and the general overring. Did I mention that it doesn't rattle, and it didn't lower itself? And no wax/snot/loc-tite/hairspray/thread! Hahahahaha...
The Mastery had a colder, stiffer overring to it. When I first strummed behind the bridge with the Staytrem, it was all... HEYYYYYYY!!
like seeing an old friend, after a few years. Very cool.

No issues with rattling or lowering... and no issues with the different string-spacing.I was mildly anticipating a bit of a speedbump there, but it was mostly in my head from what I'd read here.
If I had to nitpick, the ONLY thing I noticed about the Staytrem - and don't really care about all that much - is that the low E (or in my case, D) will occasionally flap on the back edge of the bridge. It's not noticeable when amped, but noticeable when playing unplugged and strumming with some oomph.
I won't lower my bridge any more than it is (I like a bit of fight, and play a few songs fairly high up on the lower strings); but I suspect the stiffness of the 13s will probably sort that out. If not... meh. It doesn't rattle or lower itself

Yup. Happy camper.
I'm going to use my old AVRI bridge with mustang saddles, when my jag comes. Mostly because I want to keep the mute on it... but if I get to a point where I don't care about the mute, I'll just ditch it and grab a Staytrem for it as well.

[_nash]

Yup. Happy camper.
I'm going to use my old AVRI bridge with mustang saddles, when my jag comes. Mostly because I want to keep the mute on it... but if I get to a point where I don't care about the mute, I'll just ditch it and grab a Staytrem for it as well.

My Staytrem fit inside the mute holes, but rubbed both posts. I BARELY had to enlarge the wholes. With the AVRI bridge back on it, you can't even see that I widened the mute holes. It's very minor. Don't let widening the holes scare you.

[parry]

Oh, no... it just means I'll have to buy a replacement tool.
I'm prepared to make that sacrifice....

[caliban]

Bought a staytrem for my Vintage Modified Mustang, but now I put it on my SQJMJM. Really like the ball ended allen wrench key actually .