Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

MKR · Post by **MKR** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:58 am

johnny Marr can do no wrong. Cool as fuck Johnny Marr
He's one of the few music guys who is just as cool now as he was 30 years ago.

Had to get that in there.

paulitik · Post by **paulitik** » Fri May 23, 2014 1:48 pm

MKR wrote:johnny Marr can do no wrong. Cool as fuck Johnny Marr
He's one of the few music guys who is just as cool now as he was 30 years ago.

Had to get that in there.

Agreed.

I've seen him 3 times the last 2 years and had a great time at each show.

gutter rock · Post by **gutter rock** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:27 pm

I thought the song "the messenger" was pretty good. Great guitar work there. Dig modest mouse although I am not sure what album of theirs Marr played on!

I have heard nothing but good about the bare knuckles pickups. I always loved plain old AVRI pups though so I wonder if I would dig them more or less. The 65AV jag pups sound incredible as well IMO. I do like my Jags to sound like Jags though.

bazzawong · Post by **bazzawong** » Fri May 23, 2014 5:23 pm

Fenderbender wrote:Back on topic:

Who likes the JM Jag Bare Knuckle pickups? I am really trying to like them but they are so low-output and somewhat noisy being the same polarity. It's kind of a drag because I love the way the guitar plays and sounds but compared to my jag with AVRI's it's like night and day.

Had a Marrguar 2 tryout 4 a day the pickups were very average in my opinion I like my AVRI pickups way better, the low-output somewhat noisy same polarity Bare knuckles sucked, I like the pickups in a classic player better than those thingos.

Fenderbender · Post by **Fenderbender** » Sun May 25, 2014 7:19 am

I'm going to put some Fender Vintage 65's in my Johnny Marr...Purists can keep those Bare Knuckle things and say what they want but I don't really care for them.

terminalvertigo · Post by **terminalvertigo** » Fri May 30, 2014 10:28 am

salty · Post by **salty** » Fri May 30, 2014 10:41 am

My new Pure Vintage 65 Jaguar pickups just

arrived moments ago and will be going into my Johnny Marr tomorrow night!!!

gutter rock · Post by **gutter rock** » Fri May 30, 2014 10:50 am

salty wrote:My new Pure Vintage 65 Jaguar pickups just arrived moments ago and will be going into my Johnny Marr tomorrow night!!!

Wonder if you will have any wiring issues with the series/parallel thing? I believe the bridge pup usually needs some slight modification (clipping the wire that connects to the claw is one of them).

salty · Post by **salty** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:06 am

Interesting, I will report back what I discover.

arkivel · Post by **arkivel** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:14 am

One or both of the pickups needs to be grounded according to the wiring diagram. Hopefully there are no problems.

salty · Post by **salty** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:48 am

arkivel wrote:One or both of the pickups needs to be grounded according to the wiring diagram. Hopefully there are no problems.

Thanks for the heads up on that. I dug up this thread that addresses it http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vie ... =8&t=67657

Fenderbender · Post by **Fenderbender** » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:31 pm

I need to bring my JM Jag back in tomorrow after replacing the Bare Knuckle pickups with Fender Vintage '65's Most everything works but the Bridge pickup by itself.."it's the same as the (2) pickups in parallel (Pos #2) setting" . My tech, cut and kept (wound for future use) the green wire on the neck leading to the toothed ring and ground but evidently that wasn't the only thing that needed to be changed. We will work it out and get the Bridge only setting working..any help is appreciated!, everything else sounds great.

I cannot recommend a proper setup enough with the Johnny Marr. My guitar needed a fret dressing too.

So far, I really like the '65's they are less refined than the Bare Knuckle but a bit more refined and sweeter than the AVRI 62's but the 62's have that rough, edgy sound...I am flummoxed as to which I prefer between the 62's and the 65's.

The Bare Knuckle are too low-output for my tastes, even though they are great sounding but noisy...my two bits.

salty · Post by **salty** » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:02 pm

[quote="Fenderbender"]My tech, cut and kept (wound for future use) the green wire on the neck leading to the toothed ring and ground but evidently that wasn't the only thing that needed to be changed. We will work it out and get the Bridge only setting working..any help is appreciated!, everything else sounds great.

So, I replaced mine myself this weekend and I just made everything the exact same as it was. Since these pickups are apparently not RW nothing needed to be changed.

I attached the green wire from the shield back to the claw of the new neck pickup and then the key was to cut the wire from the neck pickup that goes to the claw. The bridge and neck wire connections remain the exact same, only the neck pickups grounding needs anything special. Honestly not sure how it makes a difference (above my knowledge level) but I have read that it is important to do.

indiandysummer · Post by **indiandysummer** » Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:32 pm

I built a JM Jag and used Lollar pickups. I remember having to modify one of the pickups, but I don't remember what I did. It made sense at the time and works fine. I think I just had to isolate the claw/ground from the coil for at least one pickup. The Lollar pickups work SUPER well for a JM guitar. Series + Strangle is one of my favorite settings. It's like a killer humbucker sound with clarity and the Jaguar sound. Also, for me, the hum-cancelling properties of RWRP pickups in series/parallel are very useful.

Btw, for my (Fender) JM Jaguar I used:

Fender Classic Player Jaguar Neck
Fender JM Jaguar body OLY
Lollar pickups
Mastery Bridge
AVRI Trem Unit
AVRI mint guard

It sound awesome! The previous owner of the neck had the nut replaced, but I think it was cut too deep for my preferences, so I might have to replace it again. The action gets super low, but it's hard to play violently without fret buzz (even after adjusting the truss rod). Stringing it with 12s might help too.

morganp · Post by **morganp** » Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:33 pm

You are correct, grounding the claw independently (and breaking the connection from the claw to the pickup's ground wire) is crucial. In parallel mode (the standard combined-pickup wiring scheme) the pickup grounds both go to ground, and the claws are grounded with them. In series mode, the ground of one pickup is fed into the hot side of the other pickup; that's how you end up with a hotter signal, you can think of it as the electrical energy being added together. You can think of parallel as the electrical energy being split, and you end up with a signal that is slightly quieter than either pickup on its own.

Anyway, yeah, the series mode has the ground from one pickup running into the hot of the other; if the claw was electrically connected to the first pickup's ground, it would be in the signal path that goes to the 2nd pickup's hot lead. The claw would act like an antenna instead of a shield, and would likely short to some cavity shielding.

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