My CMI (Marshall offshoot) PA Project - with "guts" shots

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My CMI (Marshall offshoot) PA Project - with "guts" shots

Post by mjet » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:57 am

Long story behind this one. I spotted it on eBay.de about a year ago and figured it looked interesting enough to take a chance on.

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I knew that there was some monkey business with the faceplate as the cheesy stencil lettering and glued-on Marshall logo weren't fooling anyone. It took me quite a while to figure out what it actually was, which is a CMI (Cleartone Musical Instruments) 100w PA head. CMI has a connection with Marshall in the 1970s roughly similar to that of Park amps - basically Marshall was under license to only sell through one shop in the UK and these were outside the radar enough that nobody cared (or noticed) so they could be sold at other stores. They resemble current-at-the-time offerings from Marshall in many cases although there are a few differences.

But I didn't know that at the time. I thought I was looking at one of these:

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Looking through the Doyle book, I found a scan that was provided to the author by Steve at Angela's Instruments which finally gave me my "EUREKA !!" moment:

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So now I knew what it had originally looked like and I could start down the path of restoration. I finally got around (somewhat nervously) to taking it out of its case last week at long, long last to see what awaited me inside. The good news is that the horrible exterior mods weren't replicated inside, and (at least to these non-expert eyes) things look to be pretty much intact. Lotsa chassis photos including some of the front where the moron had superglued a Marshall emblem in place & stenciled in the numbers and a curiously-named "marster" volume control:

http://www.hadton.com/amps/cmi/CMI_PA100W/

I was able to get some basic photos of the 50w version from an eBay auction a month or two ago so I have a good starting point for redoing the front panel and the cabinet (which will lose its black carpet tolex pronto!) up to original appearance.

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I have no idea how many people (if any) will be interested in this long, rambling story but we all have our long-term projects and I'm just happier than the proverbial pig in poo that I've finally got this started.

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Post by zhivago » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:35 am

hey, I'm interested!! :)
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Post by mynameisjonas » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:01 pm

me too! :)

looks like a cool amp... how's it sound?

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Post by mjet » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:08 pm

I've really only played through it for a minute or two because I wasn't sure what condition it was in when I got it - without having a checkup I didn't want to push my luck. I plugged it in just to see if it worked and then it got put on the side, waiting to be taken to a tech for a once-over. Now that I'm in restoration mode I hope to get it going soon and then I'll know more.
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Post by Tweez » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:15 pm

Looks like a decent project, keep us updated!

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Post by StevenO » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:27 pm

So what's the deal with these things? Can they be used as amps or something?

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Post by mjet » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:28 pm

The PA head is largely based on the CMI Lead & Bass amp so I expect that it'll work quite well for guitar. Here you can see both of them:

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Post by mynameisjonas » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:40 am

StevenO wrote: So what's the deal with these things? Can they be used as amps or something?
a lot of people play guitar through old marshall PA amps, and they sound great. i think most older tube amps can be used for guitar even if they were designed for something else.

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Post by mjet » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:54 am

That's correct. I know that the bassist from Franz Ferdinand plays through a Simms-Watts PA head like this one:

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You can see it in the far-right corner of this shot from when they played on Letterman:

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Post by Superfuzz » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:16 am

I've played truh an old FBT valve PA amp of the the father of a friend of mine, it's fabolous..80W and it has all the higs and the bass you want..
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This sunday I'm going to play it another time..I hope his father will decide to sell it this time :-\
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Post by idiotbear » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:16 pm

Does anyone know anything about August PA amps?

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Or for that matter, FAL?

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Post by mjet » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:31 pm

Does anyone know anything about August PA amps?
Never heard of them, sorry.
Or for that matter, FAL?
FAL was, as I understand it, a UK amp maker in Leeds who bought out Roost in the late 70s/early 80s. I've seen them on eBay from time to time but I never really pay much attention (I do enough damage to my credit history just watching for the 6-7 brands that are in my watch list!).

Both look to be transistor PA heads and are probably not too unlike the WEMs of the day, e.g. the WEM ER100:

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