Mustang is the only Fender for me. Also, I got a new one.

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Mustang is the only Fender for me. Also, I got a new one.

Post by honeyiscool » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:55 pm

This time, it's Fiesta Red. Here she is, out of the box, lightly used, from Japan:

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I've fooled around with Jazzmasters and Jaguars, and I built a Johnny Marr-inspired Jazzmaster that I like very much, but it's always been about the Fender Mustang for me. I've had an Olympic White '73 Competition Reissue Mustang (Fender Japan MG73-CO) for a few years that has been my favorite guitar since the day I got my hands on it. I've probably had a 12-15 guitars since then, I've had phases of really preferring one guitar for a while, but I always come back to that MG73. I think it's the combination of small size, killer looks, and that much maligned cigar tailpiece because it's so damn close to my picking hand. I can have a working vibrato system without a bar, just by grabbing the cigar with my palm between chords. It's a big part of my playing style now.

Regarding the Mustang, however, I've had a few qualms over the years, and that made me continue to buy other guitars, and then sell them because they just aren't Mustangs. But this year, with this new wiring diagram I drew up in May, I finally had a perfect guitar:

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With this mod, my Mustang looks almost 100% stock, but be perfectly playable for me. Also, I really like the 7.25" radius Staytrem bridge (w/ the non-rocking nylon sleeve) that I just installed on it (switched from Mastery), but that's just cherry on top at this point.

Why do I like the Mustang so much? I don't know. It's just this love affair but when I see that Mustang, I think back to my first Mustang, a rather mediocre '69 RI that was still the first guitar I really loved. I then had a '65 RI in Dakota Red that was just killer, a much better guitar, but I didn't love it as much because I liked the contours of the '69. The '73 just puts it over the top. Now, when I see a Mustang without stripes or matching headstock, I just feel that something is missing.

My new Fiesta Red Mustang fits perfectly into my life. I got it less than a week ago, rewired it a couple of days later, played it at a show this weekend, and it just felt like an old friend, like she just knew what I needed a guitar to do. I feel comfortable with selling everything else I have and just replacing them with a bunch of matched headstock Mustangs and competition stripes. I can get all the variety I want by having different pickups on them. I'm kind of known among friends as the guy who plays Hello Kitty Strats a lot, too, but I'm kind of ready to give that up, too. Because what can compete with a bunch of Competition Mustangs? Nothing, really.

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The only other guitar that I even remotely want to play anymore, other than my Mustang, is my PRS S2 Standard 24, but that's because it's got a 24th fret, that's a feature my Mustang can't replicate. And what did I do with that guitar? With help of a local friend who made me a beautiful new pickguard, I turned my PRS into the closest approximation of a Mustang.

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So hello, I am Paul, and I am a Compstang-holic.

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Post by Larry Mal » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:06 pm

Can't argue with that...
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Post by Subgenius » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:58 pm

MG-73s are awesome. I love mine.
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Post by Soggasaurus » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:53 am

Wow, just wow. That is one great looking instrument and that mod diagram is really helpful too!

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Post by fuzzy_man_peach » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:46 am

Dat cat!!!!!!!! :w00t:

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Post by mediocreplayer » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:55 am

Shit, this makes me want this exact fiesta red Mustang. And this switching mod is awesome.

I had a 65 in Dakota. I did not have any particular feelings about it one way or the other. I find the Jags sexier. The Mustang's small body (a plus in my view) is offset (ha) by the fact that it is still as heavy as a Jag.

What are the differences between 65, 69, and 73?

Great post. You should consider Mustang-izing your 60s Tribute LP if you still have it!

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Post by honeyiscool » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:12 am

You must have had a really heavy Mustang, then. Normally, Jags seem to weigh in at 8.5 lb or more, and Mustangs tend to top out at 7.5 lb, but most of mine have been under 7 lb. I've had several Mustangs, all Japanese:

1. '69 RI Sonic Blue (basswood) - I bought this used. I think this was built in the 90s or early 00s when the Japanese Mustangs were not made to particularly good standards. You can tell because the bridge saddles have gaps between them. I don't really remember what I found so mediocre about it, but it just never played all that well. This might be due to neglect, because the neck was quite nice, very thin. I also wasn't all that good at making mods back then, and while I installed Kinman pickups that sounded fantastic, I think maybe I wasn't quite able to get every ounce of quality from it.

2. '65 RI Dakota Red (poplar) - This guitar was quite perfect out of the box. I just found it to be an excellent guitar out of the box. I bought it new, I think it was $699 back then. I really like this model of Mustang a lot. Every Japanese Mustang I've seen post mid-00s or so has been excellent, and there are no more gaps in the saddles. The '65 RI has the slab body and the gaps between pickguard and control plate, which I think is supposed to mimic an aged, shrunken pickguard, because I don't know if they came like that from the factory. I love this model a lot. I feel that it gets a lot of things right. I love the '65 RI stock pickups, but this is also the guitar that started my Lace Sensor obsession, and I had a pair of Hot Golds in there.

3. '65 RI Daphne Blue (poplar) - This one, I bought used for quite a good price. It wasn't quite the same level of excellence as the Dakota Red one, but I think maybe it just needed a really good setup. The thing is, with these vintage style necks, I think I used to fear the truss rod adjustments, but a properly adjusted truss rod and well maintained frets can take a guitar from "good" to "wow" and I guess I just didn't quite nail it. The other thing is, I kind of missed the Sonic Blue after having the Daphne Blue. I think I put some GFS pickups in there. I sold it to a friend for a very friendly price and he loves it.

4. '73 RI Vintage Olympic White (basswood) - This one, I still have, and it's where I started to make more drastic adjustments, culminating in the final form I illustrated above. I think these 73s are slightly lighter than 65s, which if I remember correctly, were probably right about 7 lb on the scale. My 73s are both in the 6.5-6.75 lb range. The neck seems slightly thinner, too. There are no gaps between the pickguard and control plate, and the '73s have the competition stripes and the matching headstock. The only issue with this guitar I've had is that the basswood dents somewhat easily, but you know what, that's kind of my fault, too. Over the years, I've really come to love guitars made of basswood and agathis because anyone who says they sound bad is only saying that because a lot of cheaper guitars are made of these woods and those guitars have a lot more than tonewood holding them back.

5. Kurt Cobain Signature, Lake Placid Blue (alder) - Kind of a weird thing about this one. To me, the most iconic Kurt Cobain Mustang is the one in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video, Competition LPB with matching headstock. So why no matching headstock on this one? I don't know. It's not THE reason, but it's just one of the few reasons I didn't really bond with it. The other thing is the ABR-1 bridge. I really truly hate it. I just don't think it's the right bridge for a Mustang, though I eventually got a Wilkinson roller bridge to work pretty well. And the JB? Actually, I like the JB a lot. It really worked well with a Lace Sensor Emerald in the neck, produced some truly stunning tones, and I came up with a really good wiring configuration for it. I actually had a really good configuration on this one way before I did on the '73. But unfortunately, the guitar was pretty heavy for a Mustang and the neck was kind of thick. None of these things by themselves would have kept me from loving this guitar. But when you combined them all, I just didn't feel it anymore, and it's a shame because I really wanted to like this guitar.

6. '73 RI Fiesta Red (basswood) - Everything I love about the white one can be said about this one.

I think that the recent built '69s and '73s are only different in cosmetics. They should feel and sound almost identical. However, the earlier '69s are not as good as the later ones, IMO, so buying a '73 RI is a lot easier to know what you're getting. But you can easily sort the early '69 builds out just by looking at the bridge saddles because if they're gappy, they're the old ones. The '65 RI is a very good one if, and that's a big if, you like the slab body, but to me, that, and the kind of demure cosmetics, dooms that model for me, but they're really great guitars. '69 RI also is all over the place in terms of specs, so you have to be certain exactly what you're getting. Some have matching headstocks, some have competition stripes, but none both, except for the '69 RI Beck model in orange. There's one really cool '69 RI that's all black w/ a black headstock and DiMarzio pickups, which to me is the rarest and best of the MG69s (MG69/DP/MH), which you see Hyde from L'Arc~en~Ciel play a lot. There's even one that has a gold pickguard and two humbuckers, the MG69 ALG 2H. And technically the Kurt Cobain models are all based on the MG69, so as I mentioned, the '69s are all over the place in specs.

Unfortunately, I no longer have the LP Tribute. I loved that guitar, and what tones it had, but the neck cracked near the headstock one day, and while I repaired it quite well and the guitar was fine, I guess I could never really trust it after that.

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Post by mediocreplayer » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:15 am

Thanks a lot for the detailed reply! I will probably give the Mustang another shot at some point. I cannot stop staring at your new FR one with those stripes!

I am trying to get down to one guitar though. I have been kind of successful. A 6.5 lb Thinline Walnut Jag. I have a few Danelectros because they are so much fun and I like to give them as gifts. I still feel like I need to have a fiesta red guitar though.

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Post by Subgenius » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:19 am

By what you named and described I can perfectly relate..

My first was an antique white and tort 69RI (instead of your sonic blue in your case). I had the same issues. I never switched the pickups though. Looked pretty but it never sounded right..

I then gave Mustangs a second chance and found a Placid blue Comp 69RI. The guy who had it put a Duncan Hotrail and a lil 59 in the bridge with 500k tone pot. It didn't sound Mustang at all but the feel was solid and just felt way better than my last one. Put in a set on Novak Stang pups and kept the 500k pots and now is my go to. Best sounding reissue Mustang I ever played.
I then got a Cobain Placid Blue Comp like yours. The JB I think is ok but the neck pickup for some reason is amazing. Supposed to be a 65RI pickup but for some reason sounds much better than any 65RI . I agree it being heavy but weight has never bothered me. But I said " why not a matching headstock?!!" Just like you did.
I recently bought a MG-73 Fiesta Red Comp just like yours here on OSG. It came with Lace pickups which in my opinion sounded anemic. I acquired a 69ri Stang pickup ( which I liked better than the 65ri ) and a 65ri pickup for the neck and replaced the Lace. Now I have best of both worlds . I highly recommend. Sounds great yet different enough than the Novaks.
My next Stang will be a Beck and maybe a white comp like yours. You have great taste in Mustangs.

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Post by frelonvert » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:20 pm

Japan is the kingdom of Mustangs. There is a lot of beautifull and old mustangs copy, that sell for less than a Squier one. If you're on a budget or don't care about the Fender logo, you should look out for these:
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Post by s_mcsleazy » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:08 pm

that silver one will haunt my dreams.
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Post by amv » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:34 pm

honeyiscool wrote:Image
Dear lord that finish is just perfect.

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Post by honeyiscool » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:25 pm

Subgenius wrote:By what you named and described I can perfectly relate..

My first was an antique white and tort 69RI (instead of your sonic blue in your case). I had the same issues. I never switched the pickups though. Looked pretty but it never sounded right..

I then gave Mustangs a second chance and found a Placid blue Comp 69RI. The guy who had it put a Duncan Hotrail and a lil 59 in the bridge with 500k tone pot. It didn't sound Mustang at all but the feel was solid and just felt way better than my last one. Put in a set on Novak Stang pups and kept the 500k pots and now is my go to. Best sounding reissue Mustang I ever played.
I then got a Cobain Placid Blue Comp like yours. The JB I think is ok but the neck pickup for some reason is amazing. Supposed to be a 65RI pickup but for some reason sounds much better than any 65RI . I agree it being heavy but weight has never bothered me. But I said " why not a matching headstock?!!" Just like you did.
I recently bought a MG-73 Fiesta Red Comp just like yours here on OSG. It came with Lace pickups which in my opinion sounded anemic. I acquired a 69ri Stang pickup ( which I liked better than the 65ri ) and a 65ri pickup for the neck and replaced the Lace. Now I have best of both worlds . I highly recommend. Sounds great yet different enough than the Novaks.
My next Stang will be a Beck and maybe a white comp like yours. You have great taste in Mustangs.
That's really interesting how similar our experiences have been. Also, I should mention that in my mind, it's important to have the right Lace pickups. The Silver + Purple has been the perfect combination for me. Certain Lace pickups, like the popular Gold or Red, to me, they just don't really work, but Jonny Greenwood gets a lot of mileage out of his Red Sensor Tele, so you never know.

I am also looking to get a Beck MG69, but I'm also thinking hard about this one:

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I've wanted a "Smells Like Teen Spirit" Mustang for years now (hence I had the KC Sig), but LPB Competition Mustang RI is quite hard to find these days. And even though it would cost me a pretty penny, especially if I have to import it, I'm hoping, first of all, that some American company also decides to sell this model. Secondly, it'd be worth it.

In the end, I know I'll have both the orange and the LPB Mustang. It's just a matter of when.

When I'm done collecting Fender Mustangs, I also hope to build a Warmoth HH Mustang some time. I actually built one for my friend, hers is all black w/ Toronado bridge. I'd want mine to be black with white competition stripes. I like the Warmoth Mustang body quite a lot. It's contoured, but you have choice of woods. I figure that it'd be my chance to have a slightly more "shred" neck dimensions as well, with things like jumbo frets and compound radius, matching headstock w/ a custom decal. But I'm in no hurry to build that because Warmoth will be here years from now. Fender Japan guitars might not be.

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Post by audiopablo » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:23 pm

That blue one is just wow.

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Post by Nick and the Noise » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:47 am

Beautiful! I like Mustangs too. That new switching is a really good idea.

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