NEW Squier Offsets 2017

[Pat V]

Demo between Bullet Mustang & Affinity Jazzmaster. Shows the tone difference pretty well.

https://youtu.be/hp8WWG0PTDo

Thanks for the link.
He incorrectly states the scale as 24.75". It's actually 24".

[tkachuk07]

Demo between Bullet Mustang & Affinity Jazzmaster. Shows the tone difference pretty well.

https://youtu.be/hp8WWG0PTDo

Thanks for the link.
He incorrectly states the scale as 24.75". It's actually 24".

True, of course he is just reading the incorrect specs that Squier initially sent out for the Bullet Mustang.

[Pat V]

Demo between Bullet Mustang & Affinity Jazzmaster. Shows the tone difference pretty well.

https://youtu.be/hp8WWG0PTDo

Thanks for the link.
He incorrectly states the scale as 24.75". It's actually 24".

True, of course he is just reading the incorrect specs that Squier initially sent out for the Bullet Mustang.

yep.... Fender just finally updated the specs on the website.

[Pat V]

duplicate post.

[Mike S]

I think it's false advertising and almost wish that some sort of legal standard could be established. If it doesn't have phase options and a dynamic vibrato, it shouldn't be called a Mustang. If it doesn't have a dual circuit and a floating trem, it shouldn't be called a Jazzmaster or Jaguar. I would almost say that you shouldn't even call it a Jazzmaster unless it has the Jazzmaster single coils or real Wide Range humbuckers. None of this fake WR or P90 crap. Oh and of course they're all righty exclusive.

[tammyw]

I would almost say that you shouldn't even call it a Jazzmaster unless it has the Jazzmaster single coils or real Wide Range humbuckers.

Out of all that, why would WRHB's be acceptable in Jazzmaster? It was only that one guy in the one band that popularized that, and the only time Fender came close was with his signature model.

[HNB]

There already are Squier Jazzmasters and Jaguars that are fairly vintage correct in the lower price point. These new ones weren't intended to replace those, but offer something different feature wise that some people might enjoy/want. I know there have been more than one person on the forum to put humbuckers in Jazzmasters, Mustangs, and Jaguars. Having a bigger variety of options and features could end up getting more people to enjoy these offset guitars that would otherwise go for Epiphone or some other humbucker guitar. I don't think it is wrong for a company to try new things vs spit out the same stuff in different colors for eternity. I could be in the minority, but these newer Squier options hit all my modification lists for when I do custom builds. The last six guitars I have custom built/designed have hardtail bridges, string through bodies, and humbuckers. I don't really use tremolos or rhythm circuits. I don't mind them being there, but I don't use them and having a simplified version is kind of cool. I kind of wish they made a Jaguar just like how the Jazzy was made and I would get one of those too. I don't really like TOM/Stop Tails best. I like the lower sitting hardtail bridge with ferrules on the back.

I didn't like the Squiers that had the strat output jack on the front much a ways back, but there were people who liked it because it had some changes that were things they appreciated. These new Squiers have some changes I appreciate. I am sure they will move on to other changes too unless these sell well enough to stay. I can't wait for my white Jazzy HH to come in. I want to mod it, but really it has everything I need. I mostly just want to update the electronics.

In the end, people will vote with their money. If they sell, there will be more. If they don't, something else will be put out to try to find something that does sell. No reason to treat some electronic and hardware changes as the end of the universe. Otherwise we fall in to the crowd who consider Telecaster Deluxe's not REAL Telecasters because they have humbuckers and a Stratocaster headstock. A toggle and four volume/tone controls? What are they trying to do? Be Les Pauls???? OMG DID YOU SEE THEY EVEN HAVE TUMMY CUTS???? NOT A TELE!

[Pat V]

There already are Squier Jazzmasters and Jaguars that are fairly vintage correct in the lower price point. These new ones weren't intended to replace those, but offer something different feature wise that some people might enjoy/want. I know there have been more than one person on the forum to put humbuckers in Jazzmasters, Mustangs, and Jaguars. Having a bigger variety of options and features could end up getting more people to enjoy these offset guitars that would otherwise go for Epiphone or some other humbucker guitar. I don't think it is wrong for a company to try new things vs spit out the same stuff in different colors for eternity. I could be in the minority, but these newer Squier options hit all my modification lists for when I do custom builds. The last six guitars I have custom built/designed have hardtail bridges, string through bodies, and humbuckers. I don't really use tremolos or rhythm circuits. I don't mind them being there, but I don't use them and having a simplified version is kind of cool. I kind of wish they made a Jaguar just like how the Jazzy was made and I would get one of those too. I don't really like TOM/Stop Tails best. I like the lower sitting hardtail bridge with ferrules on the back.

I didn't like the Squiers that had the strat output jack on the front much a ways back, but there were people who liked it because it had some changes that were things they appreciated. These new Squiers have some changes I appreciate. I am sure they will move on to other changes too unless these sell well enough to stay. I can't wait for my white Jazzy HH to come in. I want to mod it, but really it has everything I need. I mostly just want to update the electronics.

In the end, people will vote with their money. If they sell, there will be more. If they don't, something else will be put out to try to find something that does sell. No reason to treat some electronic and hardware changes as the end of the universe. Otherwise we fall in to the crowd who consider Telecaster Deluxe's not REAL Telecasters because they have humbuckers and a Stratocaster headstock. A toggle and four volume/tone controls? What are they trying to do? Be Les Pauls???? OMG DID YOU SEE THEY EVEN HAVE TUMMY CUTS???? NOT A TELE!

Exactly! Very well put. I share this outlook wholeheartedly. I don't see much of a reason to care about how the companies name their guitars when all I really care about are the features and cost. I truly love the variety of affordable guitars that are currently available.

[vale]

There already are Squier Jazzmasters and Jaguars that are fairly vintage correct in the lower price point.
These new ones weren't intended to replace those...
These newer Squier options hit all my modification lists; hardtail bridges, string through bodies, and humbuckers...
I don't really use tremolos or rhythm circuits....
I don't really like TOM/Stop Tails best. I like the lower sitting hardtail bridge with ferrules on the back...
I want to mod it, but really it has everything I need. I mostly just want to update the electronics...
No reason to treat some electronic and hardware changes as the end of the universe...

all of the above for me too.

businesses are in the business of giving people what they want in return for money.
they are not heritage societies or custodians of public record.
they have catered to the purists comprehensively with their vintage modified range.

I would almost say that you shouldn't even call it a Jazzmaster unless it has the Jazzmaster single coils or real Wide Range humbuckers.

i almost sneezed yesterday but it went back up.

nobody died. it's ok.

[Ben17e]

I think it's false advertising and almost wish that some sort of legal standard could be established. If it doesn't have phase options and a dynamic vibrato, it shouldn't be called a Mustang. If it doesn't have a dual circuit and a floating trem, it shouldn't be called a Jazzmaster or Jaguar. I would almost say that you shouldn't even call it a Jazzmaster unless it has the Jazzmaster single coils or real Wide Range humbuckers. None of this fake WR or P90 crap. Oh and of course they're all righty exclusive.

YEAH! How dare Fender use a name for a guitar that is their own guitar name that they stole from a car manufacture that stole it from a stray horse?! And...obviously NO MODS to the Jazzmaster unless it is one that some guy in a mildly popular (but really cool and influential) indie rock band did and then Fender did in his honor 20 years later! Let's file a lawsuit together. I'm in!

In all seriousness...names pretty much always come from the body shape. Countless variations are done on stats and teles by Fender and others. Who cares. It's a guitar. Let's try something new. And these are done at the total entry level price point.. it is not much to get fired up over.

[fat finger]

The Bullet HH Mustang looks perfect for making a Duosonic copy.

I almost regret buying a VMM last year.

Any way, if you can't handle a Squire Mustang without a tremelo, there are plenty of Fender Mustangs with a tremelo for 3x the price.

I have read someone speculating that we might eventually see a sale price of $99. If I ever see that I'll buy two.

[vale]

i wonder how much this move will impact on the resale value of used squier jm & mustang, vintage modified etc?

as it stands, this new range means that, unless you are buying higher priced jm & stang for their standard spec & not intending to do much in the way of upgrades or mods, as a modding platform the new offsets steal a lot of the 'decent platform' thunder.
even more so when they start hitting the used market, when the price difference will be only more pronounced.
this applies far more to the mustang than the jazzmaster, which is priced much higher than the stang in the affinity range than it is in the vintage modified range.

i actually wonder if they are bashing the stangs out at 'not much above breakeven' introductory price just to whip up some initial excitement about the range, & at a later date the prices will converge. stangs will go up a bit & jm may even come down a little (though i doubt it).
& for those of us unfortunate to be trapped on brexit island, that may only be one potential future increase to bear.

but this the most likely explanation for why squier are being careful not to match them too closely or interchangeably with the classic (or other) ranges.
filling a gap in the budget jm & stang market (that revelation & benton currently occupy) is one aspect.
& keeping those guitars further up the range well differentiated from competition (worth paying extra for) further down the squier range is the other.

[Beyer160]

The original 2012 VM offsets were like manna from heaven, and I am grateful that they exist. There were a lot of different directions they could have taken the line that would have gotten me to open my wallet (is it just me, or is a CV offset series an obviously great idea?), but they didn't take any of them this year. No big deal, I already have my VM Jag and Jazzmaster and if I feel the need for a LPB version with humbuckers, I can buy a used one and break out the paint and soldering iron.

[Pat V]

i wonder how much this move will impact on the resale value of used squier jm & mustang, vintage modified etc?

My two cents..... I don't think these new releases will have much of an impact either way on the values of the higher end Squier offsets. Fender/Squier have sold a S#!T-load of Bullet/Affinity Strats & Teles for a very long time and since short scales and offsets are quite popular at the moment, I think these new Bullet Mustangs in particular are a really smart move from a marketing standpoint and I think they are going to sell a ton of them to both beginners and modders alike. The VMs, CVs J. Mascis, etc... are in a different market segment and they should all co-exist nicely and I'm sure we will see more CV level releases in the future.

[vale]

since fender officially specs the jazzmaster body on the new affinity jm as a 'jagmaster', i wonder if the conversion neck thing that used to apply to some of the jagmasters applies. eg you can swap in a 25.5 or a 24 & it works without needing to change anything else?
that being the case one could get molto cheap shortscale thrills swapping between the new jm & mustang necks.

conversion necks on jagmaster related post here
http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vie ... =6&t=27051