Behringer drops new vintage stuff!!!

[Pacafeliz]

...and now...

[Ceylon]

...and now...

Damn it, I'm gonna get that one. I have regretted more than once selling my Mu-Tron reissue a few years back.

Not expected to ship before August though.

[Telliot]

They announced their version of the Roland CR-78 yesterday which just happens to be my favorite drum machine of all time…

[Soggasaurus]

Yeah, lots of good stuff to be sure! I have the Centaur and Fuzz Bender and I'll probably have some of the others down the line. As a caveat I don't have any of the originals/other clones and this is my first time dipping my toes in the water with either of these circuits:

I haven't played around a ton with the Centaur but I'm enjoying it as a low gain boost/compressor kind of thing. It's been great for adding a little sparkle to the Jags and JM's I've been playing, subtle but flattering.

The Fuzz Bender, however, is big, loud, and dumb in a very fun way on the Original setting. I don't know the best settings to go with but I've just been maxing out the attack and adjusting the level as needed. The Mod mode is really baffling though, I guess it may have changed from the original version because it doesn't sound like the first promo video at all. It's got a thin, cocked wah sort of thing going on that's probably useful in a mix but just kind of ugly on its own. It has very pronounced gating and almost no sustain with the Attack all the way up, which in addition to that wah thing just isn't appetizing. The Mod mode around 2 o'clock on Attack is a decent ragged distortion kind of sound, but not as fun as the Original mode just full on.

I'm sure there are many videos that have other versions of these circuits for comparison, but those are my relatively uninformed takes so far.

[TagoMago]

...and now...

Oooohhh!!!

They announced their version of the Roland CR-78 yesterday which just happens to be my favorite drum machine of all time…

Double oooohhh!!! I had a TR-77 probably for 20 years and loved it, it was the one that sits on top of a Hammond, but a CR-78?

[OffYourFace]

They announced their version of the Roland CR-78 yesterday which just happens to be my favorite drum machine of all time…

yeah i'll probably get that one too. but I might get an old one from a friend for $1400 that needs to be repaired. Decisions...

I had a TR-77 probably for 20 years and loved it, it was the one that sits on top of a Hammond, but a CR-78?

I have a nice TR-77. I put the Tubbutec Uni-Pulse midi into it. I love it.

[interceptör]

Damn that Bender sounds (very un)lovely. The vibe sounds cool as well, but I think I'm done with individual modulation pedals.

[øøøøøøø]

Seems like a great way to get some kit that “does the thing” without spending too much

A lot of these tools are becoming more accessible now which is amazing

On the pro audio side, Audioscape is making some alarmingly good cheap copies

It’s getting so that in many cases, the main reason to spend for the vintage items is either vanity or inspiration (if you’re a person who finds old gear inspiring)

If we’ve got to live with this rising wealth inequality, we might as well have accessible tools to make art

[JSett]

I agree that it's nice to have access to the sounds without having to spend the, sometimes wild, money for originals but let's stop, as a guitar community, calling these things 'clones' (vocally or subconsciously) maybe and start calling out what almost all 'new' behringer products actually are: counterfeits.

The word 'clone' implies of equal or better quality. These are the opposite & I hope Roland sue the shit out of them for the CE-1 ripoff.

[UlricvonCatalyst]

I hope Roland sue the shit out of them for the CE-1 ripoff.

Ironically, if that happens the value of the Behringer counterfeit/clone will go stratospheric. It's also ironic that the main objection to these things is their cosmetic appearance closely aping the originals they're based on. If they housed the same circuit in a non-resembling enclosure, as 99/100 booteek builders do, it'd still be a rip-off, right?

[JSett]

I hope Roland sue the shit out of them for the CE-1 ripoff.

Ironically, if that happens the value of the Behringer counterfeit/clone will go stratospheric. It's also ironic that the main objection to these things is their cosmetic appearance closely aping the originals they're based on. If they housed the same circuit in a non-resembling enclosure, as 99/100 booteek builders do, it'd still be a rip-off, right?

Yeah, it'd still be a rip-off really, but if better components are used (as is normally the case with small boutique builders) and they're hand wired with care then they deserve the 'clone' moniker I feel.

Robots and slaves building poor quality facsimiles of another manufacturers hard work at a large scale is counterfeiting, plain and simple. Behringer are cheap because they steal other people's R&D. They've stolen the circuits, the names (sort of), and the art/design.

Not many boutique builders doing that.

I'll be amazed, what with the Brassmaster rip, of litigation-trigger-happy Gibson don't have a go too, seeing as they own the rights.

[UlricvonCatalyst]

Okay, I don't know enough about electronics to have an opinion on component quality, but I do take your point about Chinese slave labour, though I seem to remember reading that Behringer have built a more or less town-sized production facility in China, where they claim their working conditions are equitable.

[JSett]

Okay, I don't know enough about electronics to have an opinion on component quality, but I do take your point about Chinese slave labour, though I seem to remember reading that Behringer have built a more or less town-sized production facility in China, where they claim their working conditions are equitable.

There's still issues. They have sued anyone who reports on the strikes they've had (due to unsafe conditions) and recently laid off thousands of staff and replaced them with AI robot production lines. Don't believe a fucking word out of Uli Behringers mouth, he's a total arse wipe and lies constantly. Let the Internet never forget the antisemitic Corksniffer pedal he mocked up purely to mock a prominent electronic musician for criticizing his practices...



That whole situation should tell you everything you need to know about Uli. This is Mike Fuller levels of arsehole but somehow we give him a pass?

I'm racked with guilt over my LM Drum purchase, but I genuinely haven't got £15k for an original and there's no legitimate other option without a computer. So I compromised my principles. Ill probably sell it once I'm done with the project it's needed for. I don't want it in my house.

[andy_tchp]

There's still issues. They have sued anyone who reports on the strikes they've had (due to unsafe conditions) and recently laid off thousands of staff and replaced them with AI robot production lines. Don't believe a fucking word out of Uli Behringers mouth, he's a total arse wipe and lies constantly. Let the Internet never forget the antisemitic Corksniffer pedal he mocked up purely to mock a prominent electronic musician for criticizing his practices...



That whole situation should tell you everything you need to know about Uli. This is Mike Fuller levels of arsehole but somehow we give him a pass?

Fuck. I had no idea about any of this. What a cunt.

I generally avoid their products because the ones I’ve encountered have almost always been poorly built rubbish…

[JSett]

Fuck. I had no idea about any of this. What a cunt.

I mean he tried to sue people in a forum for simply badmouthing his stuff and calling them out as counterfeiters.

The guy is, indeed, a cunt.

People can buy what they want, but I'm surprised that the people on here are so blasé about his products when we normally shoot down arsehole practices and businesses quite quickly.

He's the Elon Musk of music gear. A rich edgelord who is encouraged by others by indirect approval.

And I've just decided I'm returning the LM Drum. After I rip all the samples off it onto my laptop.