AVRI or CIJ

[Tweez]

Am I right in thinking 'vintage style cloth wire' is just eye candy and does exactly the same job as the standard MIJ/CIJ fayre?

Also if you plan to order form Ishibashi be prepared to pay £130 upwards for delivery, import taxes and V.A.T..

[luau]

Also if you plan to order form Ishibashi be prepared to pay £130 upwards for delivery, import taxes and V.A.T..

I'd guess you get a gig bag instead of a hard case too. Is this so? If so, and if OP wants a hard case, the CIJ just went up in price another $50-$100.

[zhivago]

I think CIJs come in a box?

not 100% sure...but pretty sure they do....  :-\

[Pumpkin]

Yea,eye candy is all. CIJ wires fine,but its an ass to work with(all the strands)cloth is just one wire because its tinned.  Ive actually heard that CIJ caps are way better than AV too,personally i havent noticed any difference tho,i got 2x .01 caps in paralell to make a .02,ones sprague and ones CIJ green film,meh..theyre all much the same imo

I'm just looking at Japanese sites now to decide what color of Jazzmaster to get,its going to cost me around AU$680 (US$530 or £274)  plus the shipping and then my countrys scam tax which is very little to be honest.Last time i ordered something from the US for $1,000 the tax was around AU$130,its not even an issuse since you save so much $$$ anyway.
Shipping from Japan  to AUS is cheap.

Japan has so many colors to choose from,i like Daphne blue,CAR, old CAR all matching headstocks too
Half their colors aren't listed so just ask and you shall recieve

I was checking the u box and they have heaps of cheap effects!




Think i need to lay of the smiley's a bit 

EDIT: yea they do come in a box.

EDIT:This color has caught me and wont let go....are you man enough to play a pink Jazzmaster?

[FireAarro]

Yea,eye candy is all. CIJ wires fine,but its an ass to work with(all the strands)cloth is just one wire because its tinned.  Ive actually heard that CIJ caps are way better than AV too,personally i havent noticed any difference tho,i got 2x .01 caps in paralell to make a .02,ones sprague and ones CIJ green film,meh..theyre all much the same imo

I'm just looking at Japanese sites now to decide what color of Jazzmaster to get,its going to cost me around AU$680 (US$530 or £274)  plus the shipping and then my countrys scam tax which is very little to be honest.Last time i ordered something from the US for $1,000 the tax was around AU$130,its not even an issuse since you save so much $$$ anyway.
Shipping from Japan  to AUS is cheap.

Japan has so many colors to choose from,i like Daphne blue,CAR, old CAR all matching headstocks too
Half their colors aren't listed so just ask and you shall recieve

I was checking the u box and they have heaps of cheap effects!




Think i need to lay of the smiley's a bit 

EDIT: yea they do come in a box.

EDIT:This color has caught me and wont let go....are you man enough to play a pink Jazzmaster?

Does Ishibashi have more colours that aren't listed? That would be awesome. I didn't think they had stock though, of anything not there... not all the colours are matching headstock by the way. What sites are you looking at?

Australia dosen't tax you/customs you unless you import something that's over AU$1000, including shipping I think. So try and keep below that. My friend ordered a Jazzmaster from Ishibashi and it turned out to be around $900-$950. U box is great for some effects.

[zhivago]

EDIT:This color has caught me and wont let go....are you man enough to play a pink Jazzmaster?

with a nice vintage tortoise shell guard on it, definitelly!

[Pumpkin]

Does Ishibashi have more colours that aren't listed? That would be awesome. I didn't think they had stock though, of anything not there... not all the colours are matching headstock by the way. What sites are you looking at?

Australia dosen't tax you/customs you unless you import something that's over AU$1000, including shipping I think. So try and keep below that. My friend ordered a Jazzmaster from Ishibashi and it turned out to be around $900-$950. U box is great for some effects.

Just the usual sites dude.
well thats good news,

About the colors, just email them what ever you want and theres a good chance they'll get it for you...or so i have heard many times so ......
I want Pink so they better search all over japan for it!

EDIT: I just emailed them to enquire about the pink JZ,i must have it! I asked about case prices too,so Il let you know.

[fullerplast]

I just wanted to counter Naturality's view that this forum's all about the JM.

That view (Naturality's) could not be more wrong!  In fact, I'm reading alot of misinformation in this thread. But since much of it is opinion (and we're all entitled to our own)... it doesn't bother me too much. But to say that most people on the forum prefer the JM because of the simplicity of the controls is an outright fallacy. While it's true that more people do seem to prefer the JM, the controls are not the reason. I think the scale, feel, and SOUND are the main reasons. And I would be willing to bet that most JM owners here either also have a Jag, or want one.

This forum is not Jazzmaster-specific. In fact, it's not even Fender-specific. But since 'birds of a feather flock together', this is where we congregate.

I wish people would not post things as fact (with an air of authority) when they simply are conjecture.  Please don't try to speak for other forumites or draw conclusions from their remarks and try to repeat them as statements of fact. Even if you are trying to be helpful and answer questions, pleae speak only from your own experience and not what you perceive to be the "popular" answer.

EDITED to add:  Sorry to sound harsh. But my reason for being so is this;  If I were a visitor to the forum and wandered into this thread, and found that the forum prefers Jazzmasters due it being easier to use.... I would be all:    and beating feet for the door... thinking LOSERS!

My indignation is for the sake of the forum, and not of my own selfish pride. We like to think that 'content is king' and is mainly the reason for our popularity and rapid growth. We'd like to keep it that way!

[idiotbear]

I hope I didn't get anything wrong in my Jag post, there, Doug... 

[fullerplast]

NO SIR, not at all!  I was already concerned with Natch's remarks before you posted.  Your remarks just clinched it for me that if wasn't just me being a cranky old fart.

[zhivago]

I second Fullerplast's sentiments over this...it would be nice if we all made sure what we say is accurate....

personally, everytime I'm not 100% sure about something, I make a point of mentioning it in my post.....in fact, I did this on this thread too, regarding the question of CIJs coming with a gigbag.


this forum will blossom even more if we all work hard to keep the content up to the highest of standards...

this is a collective effort from everyone, and believe me guys, all of the moderators and admins here thank you all for your contribution.

let us not rest on our laurels though.....let's make things even better

[dinosaur]

Your remarks just clinched it for me that if wasn't just me being a cranky old fart.

It's definitely not just you!  You guys have done a great job with the place.  I love reading and posting here, and I could never get to that point at the old place.  The ONLY thing I sometimes don't like here is exactly what you brought up.  There is definitely the occasional post that is clearly wrong, and  just seems to be posted for the sake of posting, or even posting first.  And I don't mean honest mistakes, but rather topics that people clearly aren't familiar with, but still post specific answers for, with no mention that it might be wrong or that it's just personal opinion.

It's definitely not my place to say anything, in my opinion anyway, so I don't.  But I'm sure others feel it too and couldn't agree with you more.  Like you, I don't want to sound harsh, but some well-meaning person is going to accidentally injure their offset one day if they don't stick around to read a whole thread.

Seriously, thanks for mentioning it.

[fullerplast]

Can we get an icon saying "Whew!" ?

I am SO relieved to read your post, dinosaur. I've been afraid all morning that I've run off contributors by being a dick. It's great to hear backup from a forumite.  And to be clear, anytime anyyone reads something here that can cause embarrassment to the forum or worse (ie. damage to someone's guitar), either mention it tactfully yourself OR notify a mod. This is OUR forum and everyone's views and suggestions are mandatory and welcome.

Of course, I don't mean that people should start pissing contests over simple differences of opinion... I think most of us are mature enough to realize the difference.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone and please carry on with the thread!

Edit:

And by the way... you REALLY nailed it with this:

There is definitely the occasional post that is clearly wrong, and  just seems to be posted for the sake of posting, or even posting first.  And I don't mean honest mistakes, but rather topics that people clearly aren't familiar with, but still post specific answers for, with no mention that it might be wrong or that it's just personal opinion.

[pullover]

So could an "expert" please sort through this stuff out and post the known differences between AVRI and CIJ?  Maybe start a new thread to eliminate confusion. Also make it sticky so it's easy to find, because I have seen this question a lot, with a lot of different answers. Maybe start a list at the top and edit it like Jay did with the "pedal parts and kit suppliers" in effects section. Maybe you could also put the differences between AVRI and actual 1962 vintage?
I would do it, but I am far from an expert. I think this would be a good idea, since it is rather confusing, and could possibly keep someone from enjoying a perfectly good CIJ guitar because they heard some crap and can't afford AVRI. Some no B.S. unbiased information on just the differences would be nice.

[fullerplast]

That really is a good suggestion and an interesting concept.

Some of that info already exists. Here are a few links from Tom(2)'s webrocker site. The first one compares a MIJ to a vintage '65. The second is the page of links where that came from, and has individual part comparisons:

http://www.webrocker.de/jaguar/v2/index ... ag_compare

http://www.webrocker.de/jaguar/v2/index ... ow=jm_pups

As for further compiling a definitive list comparing also the AV to CIJ to vintage... that's an excellent idea. I don't know if any of us is actually an "expert" per se, but between all of us I bet we could do pretty well. I wonder who could spearhead the effort?