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Re: Okay, how about Most popular amp among Jazzmaster Players...

Post by Felix » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:37 am

mezcalhead wrote: So what Vibrolux do you have? I have a couple of old VRs as well and love them, so I'm curious as to how the Vibroverb clone sounds different .. it's the brownface '63 Vibroverb RI, right? so on the face of it, it looks pretty similar to a Vibrolux: 2x 6L6s for 35W, 2x10" speakers, trem and reverb.
Yes, it's a blackface vibrolux. As you say, the standard 35 watt, dual 6l6 amp, tube rectifier, with reverb and trem. Actually, I lost the footswitch for the amp, and now I do not use it.
As for the Vibroverb, it is a blackface clone to be exact. The original work was done by a a guy in Washington who specializes in making vibroverb clones from old bandmaster amps. This particular fella was born from an old silverface BM. The cabinet is, actually, a JD Newell. I use a good quality Lansing 15 AlNiCo--JBL would be better, but this is the same company so I'm okay with it. The tube configuration is similar to the vibrolux reverb: dual 6l6, tube rect., and the standard two channel, blackface preamp layout. The core difference, that I've noticed thus far, is the clean tone. I love how the 15 just completely fattens up my guitar. My two preamp modes are a little fatter, too-- healthier low end. The JM, being a brighter guitar, seems so much more balanced through this amp. It still has the classic tone of a jazzmaster, but now it is fuller, or more spacious, and easier to pull into the mix. I had to completely rethink my settings from the lux. The 2x10 accentuates the upper ranges of the jazzmaster, while the vibroverb will only do that if you turn up the treble--or activate the bright switch. Which I don't.

Another thing I have noticed is that if you crank the lux to about 5 on the vibrato channel, you will will have a very similar tone to the verb. That's where it begins to fatten those two 10 inch speakers quite nicely. You'd have to kill me in order to take away the vibrolux, but for the immediate future I think it will be given a break.  :o  (gasps heard in the audience). The eventual goal being to have a dual amp setup.

The only hard part of getting this amp into the fold was learning the characteristics of the single 15. You can't have grizzly distortion/drive, as it seems to really fuzz out the basic tone--mainly on chords. With my current settings, however, the 'verb now has a clear rhythm tone as well as a lead tone. Of course, the jury is still out on this amp. It does very well in when used for practices, and even recording has gone well. The only issue is whether it will do alright in medium-sized venues. The faith in the reliability of the Vibrolux is high for me, so it will accompany ever gig or session.

I haven't heard much about the 2x10 brown vibroverb. Though I would imagine these two amps sound a bit different. That being said, I've heard some good things. I think my last amp will be a brown amp--deluxe or princeton. I loooove the brownface tone.  :-*

Sorry if you wanted a lighter comparison. I'm pretty much writing my thoughts as I go on this one. I can always do a better review when I've had some time to think about it.
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Re: Okay, how about Most popular amp among Jazzmaster Players...

Post by mezcalhead » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:39 am

Felix wrote: Sorry if you wanted a lighter comparison.
No, that's good info. Sorry, for some reason I skipped over where you said blackface and just assumed it was one of the Vibroverb RIs. Having 2x10" and a 15" in a dual setup would be great. I was considering a 1x15" extension cab for one of my VRs at one point (I have a blackface and a silverface VR), and also eyeing up various 1x15" amps on ebay like the non-reverb Pros.

My main home amp at the moment is a brownface Princeton, which I adore and highly recommend. I think they're relatively cheap right now compared to the blackface Princeton Reverbs too. I used it to do some clips I posted in the effects section, but they were comparing fuzzes so there isn't much of the clean tone of that amp to be heard.

Since I love the Princeton but really like the 2x10" of the larger amps too, the obvious next step is a brownface Super .. might do everything I need in one package .. maybe.
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Re: Okay, how about Most popular amp among Jazzmaster Players...

Post by Felix » Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:16 am

mezcalhead wrote:
Felix wrote: Sorry if you wanted a lighter comparison.
No, that's good info. Sorry, for some reason I skipped over where you said blackface and just assumed it was one of the Vibroverb RIs. Having 2x10" and a 15" in a dual setup would be great. I was considering a 1x15" extension cab for one of my VRs at one point (I have a blackface and a silverface VR), and also eyeing up various 1x15" amps on ebay like the non-reverb Pros.

My main home amp at the moment is a brownface Princeton, which I adore and highly recommend. I think they're relatively cheap right now compared to the blackface Princeton Reverbs too. I used it to do some clips I posted in the effects section, but they were comparing fuzzes so there isn't much of the clean tone of that amp to be heard.

Since I love the Princeton but really like the 2x10" of the larger amps too, the obvious next step is a brownface Super .. might do everything I need in one package .. maybe.
It's all good. I like to speak about gear, too. :)

I tried a few extension cabinets for the Vibrolux as well. I used a Mesa recti 2x12 and was only mildly impressed by it. I found that it really didn't add much that I was wanting. Not to discourage others from trying, but I ruled it out after only a couple sessions of moderate change. That being said, it could have been the environment not being conducive to good results. At that moment, it became clear that a dual amp setup was my best and preferred option. The Peavey DB 1x15 might be good. I've heard of that amp sounds great with a Jazzmaster.

I am very envious of your setup, also. I saw some pictures you posted some time ago showing your amps. What a pretty pair those 'lux do make, eh? I almost went that route after seeing them. :) In the end, the 'verb was a chance moment that I happily seized.

So, how does the Princeton do in the studio? Small gigs, too? The brown Princeton seems to be the ideal amplifier for smaller, more intimate shows. I had a brownface Concert amp about five years ago, and very much have regretted selling it away. I kept a Deluxe Reverb in the hopes that it would be more ideal--alas, I was wrong. That is why I will never sell away guitar amps anymore, unless there is good reason to part with it.
There was a brown Super in the used section of GC here, in West Palm, not too long ago. It went very quickly and did like the sound of it. It's funny that the brown amps haven't skyrocketed like I imagined they would years ago. That's a plus for the fans, though. My goal is to get one by the summer.

If you have a chance, you should demo a Vibroverb custom in a local shop. The sound difference with the classic Vibroverb is nominal.
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Re: Okay, how about Most popular amp among Jazzmaster Players...

Post by mezcalhead » Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:56 am

I'm guessing it's the lack of reverb that helps keep the brownfaces cheaper .. plus, people seem to either want a blackface sound or a tweed sound and the brownfaces kinda fall in the middle really.

The Princeton records really nicely .. very simple to get a good sound out of which is important as I'm doing home recording these days. I haven't gigged since I bought it, but I'm sure it would do well in venues from say coffee shop size up to pubs. It would struggle with a heavy-hitting drummer on a full kit though.

What is it you don't like about the Deluxe Reverb? I always felt they were likely to be too loud to be a good home amp like a Princeton or Champ, but not enough headroom for a full band situation.
Felix wrote: If you have a chance, you should demo a Vibroverb custom in a local shop. The sound difference with the classic Vibroverb is nominal.
Vibroverb custom .. you mean the reissue in the brown tolex?
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Re: Okay, how about Most popular amp among Jazzmaster Players...

Post by Felix » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:51 pm

mezcalhead wrote: I'm guessing it's the lack of reverb that helps keep the brownfaces cheaper .. plus, people seem to either want a blackface sound or a tweed sound and the brownfaces kinda fall in the middle really.

What is it you don't like about the Deluxe Reverb? I always felt they were likely to be too loud to be a good home amp like a Princeton or Champ, but not enough headroom for a full band situation.
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Vibroverb custom .. you mean the reissue in the brown tolex?
Yes, that sounds like a pretty logical reason for the brown amps not selling on the used market. That's a plus for the fans, though.

The Deluxe Reverb was just too bright for me in the end. You are right about it not being a great bedroom amp, but it does pretty well for live gigs. Perhaps a heavy hitting drummer would prove too much for this amp, but it holds it own quite well. I just didn't care for the basic bright tone. Unlike a 'lux or verb, the DR is just bright as is. There is no quick switch to end it. I have tried, more recently, a fairly nice sounding Deluxe Reverb Reissue in a local shop, but it is the first time ever. I have owned two of them, and played through six. Only the more recent example was something I could see myself owning. Just not my thing. I like a little more control over the eq of my tone, and I felt helpless to do so in most cases.

As for the Vibroverb custom, it is the Cesar Diaz model. The brown skin amp you speak of, I think, is the older version from the early 90s. The brown verb became the CVR. I tried the VV custom several months ago and it was impressive. I know the memory can be unreliable, but I do think the sound is similar to that of my VV clone. At least the clean tone is similar.
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Re: Okay, how about Most popular amp among Jazzmaster Players...

Post by quandar » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:28 pm

I use a Fender Silverface Bassman 10. Fantastic amp, and you can still get them fairly cheap.

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Post by dltinter » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:03 pm

I use a 1967 Fender Princeton Reverb that sounds great with my 65 Jazzmaster with a older Boogie 1X12 wide body cab plugged into it.  It has a EVM-12 L

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Post by eggwheat » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:12 pm

I use a 1976 Roland JC160 4x10 combo..doubled with an early 80's Peavey Musician head and 4x12 cab..totally transistor but I love it and Ive owned all manner of vintage valve amps. Apart from that I love blackface super reverbs..

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Post by ohm-men » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:57 am

1966 single Showman with a 1x15" and/or a 1964 Tremolux with a 2x12" cab.....Hmmm delicious.....
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Post by Taylorplayer » Tue May 01, 2007 1:02 am

Last time I had a Jazzmaster I was playing through a Soldano Decatone w/ matching sealed 2x12.

It sounded huge.
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Post by star0nfire » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:05 am

I used to play a Fender Hot Rod DeVille, but that was before I got my JazzMaster. I sold it, got a Fender Blues Junior, and my Jazzmaster 3 monts after that.

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Post by Puke+Cry » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:21 pm

gawd, I just went to a store, they had a beautifull white Fender Blues Deluxe. It was so sexy but it didnt have the price on. Anyways, is this a good amp? (played on it once but not enough to remember it)

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Re: Okay, how about Most popular amp among Jazzmaster Players...

Post by Felix » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:10 pm

I think any single 15 combo works well with a Jazzmaster, but my blackface Vibroverb is a favorite. Even more than my Vibrolux.
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Post by moonsocket » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:54 am

I love the sound of a Jazzmaster through my friends Ampeg V4 and matching 4X12 cabinet. So nice.

My Jazzmaster sounds great through my Vox AC30CC2 until I use my Big Muff. Then it all goes to hell. :/

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Post by OffYourFace » Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:20 am

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