NEW KLUSONS SUCK!

[RumorsOFsurF]

is now STOCK on gibson SG and Les Paul?

That means nothing to me!!   I don't play Gibsons...

[Pumpkin]

so, they're shit because they are not identical to the original design of the ... 1950's?

-- because they are advertised as Klusons but are not? they own the name- you're saying they shouldn't use the name in advertising that they legally own ?
-- because you can see imperfections in the metal finish which leads you to be believe they are cast?
-- and IF they are cast, the metal finish won't bond as well and flake off with time?
-- because they have a different bushing? (a locking bushing, which would probably be a better mechanical coupling then a push-in bushing)
-- because they might need a slightly enlarged keyhole in the headstock?

well, no, they're not vintage. it's a different design- it would not sound identical to a kluson from the 50's. WD bought the kluson name years ago. Then Tonepros bought the Kluson name more recently. They could make a shit version of a tuner from the 50's if they want to. they can sell this shit version of the tuner for more than the gotoh's of today.  but.. why? why would they make a shit tuner and make fantastic everything else which, for example, is now STOCK on gibson SG and Les Paul?

they say on their website that they do new versions of classic designs. for example, it's a completely sealed machine head, which i think might be better. the tuner is obviously not vintage-correct. they are not trying to fool anyone.

it comes to preference. if you want a vintage sound and look, get a gotoh. but you'll have to sadly pass on the Kluson name.
if you want the Kluson name, you'll have to make a compromise as the new Kluson tuner is 'modified' and 'vintage-inspired'. it might have lousy cast metal housing, but it might actually be a better tuner too.

What ever you think,i don't care but maybe you should lighten up cause theres hundreds of individual opinions expressed here and we all don't agree on everything,its impossible to do so.
But,no i don't "think" they're cast,i know they are!

You sound like you work for the company or something,not allowing bad words to be said about 'em and getting all defensive with a big rant all about 'em.

My observation is that they are cheap shit compared to schaller and gotoh,you dont like it tough luck.I dont like a lot of things but i have to live with it as no one has the right to not be offended.

My point is,what I've expressed is my opinion be it wrong or right its an opinion thats here to stay.

[mcjt]

pumpkin,
i do work in manufacturing and distribution in a not so distant industry (high-end transducers and loudspeakers).
i don't work for Tonepros or anyone associated with them. I think bad words to describe guitar parts who can't defend themselves to be a little excessive.
i thought there was already more than enough ranting (based on your opinion) before i arrived...

ok, you're entitled to your opinion- and that's fine. i just wondered how you came to your conclusion. (i bought kluson styled replicas recently) i hoped you would share your insight. personally, when i try to form an opinion, i consult my local guitar store, reviews, the web, the manufacturer reps... and the occasional industry testimonial doesn't hurt- especially from the likes of Gibson----

by the way, most of us here can hopefully read: you did say you thought they were cast--
quote:
The surface has imperfections which leads me to think they are cast from cheap materials

[TheMilford]

so, they're shit because they are not identical to the original design of the ... 1950's?

-- because they are advertised as Klusons but are not? they own the name- you're saying they shouldn't use the name in advertising that they legally own ?
-- because you can see imperfections in the metal finish which leads you to be believe they are cast?
-- and IF they are cast, the metal finish won't bond as well and flake off with time?
-- because they have a different bushing? (a locking bushing, which would probably be a better mechanical coupling then a push-in bushing)
-- because they might need a slightly enlarged keyhole in the headstock?

well, no, they're not vintage. it's a different design- it would not sound identical to a kluson from the 50's. WD bought the kluson name years ago. Then Tonepros bought the Kluson name more recently. They could make a shit version of a tuner from the 50's if they want to. they can sell this shit version of the tuner for more than the gotoh's of today.  but.. why? why would they make a shit tuner and make fantastic everything else which, for example, is now STOCK on gibson SG and Les Paul?

they say on their website that they do new versions of classic designs. for example, it's a completely sealed machine head, which i think might be better. the tuner is obviously not vintage-correct. they are not trying to fool anyone.

it comes to preference. if you want a vintage sound and look, get a gotoh. but you'll have to sadly pass on the Kluson name.
if you want the Kluson name, you'll have to make a compromise as the new Kluson tuner is 'modified' and 'vintage-inspired'. it might have lousy cast metal housing, but it might actually be a better tuner too.

I'm pretty sure they still make the stamped style Klusons... the Tonepros version are just vintage style modern tuners... as advertised

[fullerplast]

WD owns the Kluson name. I have a strong suspicion that they also own Tone Pros. Both of these are just names, the products are made under contract (like almost everything these days).  

They still sell the full line of Ping-made Klusons in the green box, leading me to believe that they are still making them. My opinion is that they probably received so many requests for an upgrade, that they brought one out in the Tone Pros line. It's an odd thing to do... but plausible. It fulfills a request for a sealed modern tuner with the look and tie to Kluson.

We all have our opinions, likes and dislikes. No need for anyone to get strong or nasty.

I'm not directing this at any particular individual, but sometimes it's more HOW something is said than WHAT is said... that rubs other people the wrong way.



Edit: TheMilford nails it and was quicker to the draw. He posted while I was working on my thesis...

[TheMilford]

They still sell the full line of Ping-made Klusons in the green box, leading me to believe that they are still making them. My opinion is that they probably received so many requests for an upgrade, that they brought one out in the Tone Pros line. It's an odd thing to do... but plausible. It fulfills a request for a sealed modern tuner with the look and tie to Kluson.

Hey Guys,

Fuller is correct... I so was I

I just called WD to figure out the whole scoop...

Kluson is owned by WD. Tonepros is owned by Gotoh. WD licensed the Kluson name out for the Tonespros line.

The Tonepros-Klusons are a modern, high-quality, sealed tuner with a vintage look. They come in both bolt-on and press-in.

The "vintage" Klusons are still avaiable.

here are two links to clear this all up:

http://www.toneproskluson.com/

http://www.kluson.com/

Case closed.

Good day all.

David

[mcjt]

well put, Mr Fuller Plast. Vive la différence! Thanks for the info too on WD. I had heard that but had found info to the contrary too. I tried to clarify with a sales rep for the Canadian importer for Tonepros, but he wason the road, and I couldn't take up much of his time... (i DID already buy tuners...)
Indeed, strange business plan...
i'm quite happy with the kluson-style, japanese made, locking Allparts I bought. I wonder if anyone has feedback on the Wilkinsons??

[mcjt]

david,
thou rockest! i called the sales rep, you called the company! smart move!
So the Tonepros of which we speak ARE a Gotoh product.
Interesting......

[fullerplast]

Yeah... I figured it was something like that. I was wrong about WD owning the Tone Pros name, but my susipicions were otherwise pretty close.

It's strange to me that they would license out the Kluson name to another company. I would think it would be like gold. Well, it WOULD have been like GOLD if they had applied it to a good product. Too bad they didn't license it to Gotoh to put on the vintage-style tuners. I'm sure there are plenty of restrictions on how Gotoh can use the name.

Nice work!

[TheMilford]

Seems to me now we can all have our cake and eat it too!

[TheMilford]

It's strange to me that they would license out the Kluson name to another company. I would think it would be like gold. Well, it WOULD have been like GOLD if they had applied it to a good product. Too bad they didn't license it to Gotoh to put on the vintage-style tuners. I'm sure there are plenty of restrictions on how Gotoh can use the name.

Well, see here's the deal... licensing IS the gold. I work for a record label and we make good money from licensing songs... There's no production over-head on licensing out a name... only profit.

[thewizardofaz]

I just bought a set of Kluson Deluxe Tonepros 3-on-a-side. They're very high quality, but as noted, they are clearly cast, not stamped. I don't have any problem with that though. Different does not mean inferior.

[zhivago]

I use a set of Gotoh Klusons and they are very, very good.

[Jets]

Yeah, they look like what i'm after.
it's too damn hot to sleep tonight.

[zhivago]

it's too damn hot to sleep tonight.

totally...and I still have a hangover from last night...we partied pretty hard after the gig!